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Therefore it is no longer necessary to think logically to acknowledge actual history or to speak well of your fellow Christians. Because the Traditional SDA church is founded by God in the 1800's.RC-the trad church is not 'in trouble' as you put it. We will stand our ground while the rebels fall around us.
God had established this movement decades before your birth and He will take it/us to the second coming just as He began--by His strong arm. You can stay out of the ark if you wish.
ONLY in your mind RC--only in your mind. God is in control, not you.Therefore it is no longer necessary to think logically to acknowledge actual history or to speak well of your fellow Christians. Because the Traditional SDA church is founded by God in the 1800's.
Yes you are in trouble.
I would prefer to stop being human.
JM
It is stressful and often unpleasent.
JM
Hi Avonia--no worries, and no offense taken. But I don't confuse zealousness of opinion with emotionalism in worship styles.
I think we really need to be careful to not confuse the two.
And I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with showing our emotions for gratefulness and love to God. Many times as I sit in church or home, tears of love and joy will overflow. Or while listening to uplifting gospel music my heart is transported to feeling of extreme emotions for God.
But please keep in mind my Pentecostal background where I saw emotional ecstacy taken to a level that was anything but Godly. It sickens me to see this very real threat over taking our SDA youth.
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Originally Posted by RC_NewProtestants
Therefore it is no longer necessary to think logically to acknowledge actual history or to speak well of your fellow Christians. Because the Traditional SDA church is founded by God in the 1800's.
Yes you are in trouble.
ONLY in your mind RC--only in your mind. God is in control, not you.
Typical trad response. More proud to be an Adventist than a Christian.
Sophia--where is ANY of my posts have you read me say that I was opposed to ALL expressions of emotions in worship? NO WHERE!Perhaps your personal background has led you to be unduly critical of emotional expressions in worship. The fact that some churches take emotionalism too far does not mean that all contemporary worship styles and music are evil. I've been to many worship services in which people were praising God with great feeling, but it was nothing like what I observed in the Pentecostal church that I visited with a friend in high school.
If by Adventist, we mean the most biblically consistent Christian, then absolutely yes—I’m an Adventist first. This kind of Adventism is radically Bible-based, lifetransforming, intelligent, authentically evangelical and ecumenical, mission-driven but humble, gutsy but irenic, and spiritually vibrant! I call it Adventisque, because it is Christianity at its best. As a theologically conservative body, it is the only credible eschatological movement capable of actually preparing a holy people to meet their holy Lord at His second coming. The Bible points to these “Adventing” Christians in the following words: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12; cf. 12:17; 19:10).
—Samuel Koranteng-Pipim, Ph.D., director, Public Campus Ministries, Michigan Conference
Ah yes, if by Adventist you mean my private definition... That is what Pipim said. But he is not the only one with a silly answer. The guy who said he is a Christ follower is an equally foolish answer. What does he think the word Christian means?Great quote thanks for posting it!!!
By his definition an Adventist = most Biblically consistent Christian.
Once again, many of the references in this article are to 'emotion's'. I think that the 'disillusionment' among the youth of the SDA church is coming from all the 'hype' and ecstatic hoopla of the evangelical churches. They FEEL as though they are missing out on all the fun.
This is one of the dangers warned about in the great deception of these last days. Emotionalism is confused with the true Spirit. Coming from a Pentecostal background, I am well aware of its appeal to the feelings of the young whose emotions are of immense importance to them.
They also want to desperately fit in with the rest of the world. Youth just HATE FEELING different. This too is behind the power of the evangelical movement. Its really not about becoming more holybut FEELING more holy irregardless of ones behavior.
The proof of this statement is confirmed with this article itself
[FONT="]Many of the features of evangelical Christianity were baptized into Adventism in 1957, when the [/FONT][FONT="]Adventist[/FONT][FONT="]Church[/FONT][FONT="] published Seventh- day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine. It was written in response to questions posed by [/FONT][FONT="]Walter[/FONT][FONT="]Martin[/FONT][FONT="], author of the well known book Kingdom of the Cults (original printing 1965).[/FONT]
[FONT="]Martin, a Southern Baptist who made a career out of judging who was a cult and who was not, met with a group of Adventist scholars in order to ascertain whether Adventism should remain classified as a Christian cult or if it belonged to the sisterhood of Protestant churches. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Adventists who worked with [/FONT][FONT="]Martin[/FONT][FONT="] answered enough of his questions correctly to receive a passing score by his reckoning, [/FONT][FONT="](and who made him judge over our church?)[/FONT][FONT="] and on that basis, Adventists were thereafter no longer classified as a Christian cult. [/FONT][FONT="]Evangelical Adventism had been born[/FONT][FONT="], though some influential traditional Adventists were not shy in questioning its paternity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Its not hard for the discerning eye to see that those whos emotions and feelings lead and guide them would favor distancing themselves from an organization where calm, quiet FAITH is preferred and practiced.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I also find it extremely disturbing that the SDA people would cower to the likes of [/FONT][FONT="]Walter[/FONT][FONT="]Martin[/FONT][FONT="] and his tacky attempts to villinize a movement that God Himself raised up. [/FONT]
I don't know if they are on the same spectrum at all. AT has some well written articles, whether you agree with them or not. I've been thumbing through Proclamation since they first started sending me issues. It's like reading the same issue over, and over, and over again.
I also find it offensive that they only publish letters/comments from current Adventists that come off as militant whackos. And letters of support that all sound the same.
There was a post on this forum some time ago that used the phrase "Grace Legalists." Interesting.
But, if it's helpful for the community that's benefiting from it, then great. Personally, it feels quite small to me.
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