Fallen Angels

[Chriliman]

Is there anywhere in scripture that might suggest that Fallen Angles are the first cause of evil and possibly the reason our universe is such a mixed bag of life and death?

 

[A_Thinker]

Is there anywhere in scripture that might suggest that Fallen Angles are the first cause of evil and possibly the reason our universe is such a mixed bag of life and death?

Isn't that the Lucifer scenario ... ???

 

[DM25]

Yes Lucifer was the first to sin.

 

[eleos1954]

Is there anywhere in scripture that might suggest that Fallen Angles are the first cause of evil and possibly the reason our universe is such a mixed bag of life and death?

Ezekiel 28


13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Jude 1:6

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

 

[Resha Caner]

The Bible doesn't give a specific timeline, so we don't know. I imagine if people did know they would excuse their behavior in a "devil made me do it" manner.

 

[DM25]

I imagine if people did know they would excuse their behavior in a "devil made me do it" manner.

People with fleshly mindsets always make the claim you make. The thing on your mind is whose fault your sin is? We are saved by not repenting of our sins but admitting we need a saviour over our sins... Jesus Christ alone. Our focus should be on him not our sin. Truth is we HAVE inherited sinful nature from Adam, which was originally caused by man's free will yes but devil's temptation did not help either. Everything played out according to God's plan. Now when we sin we should ask God for forgiveness for hurting him and out of respect. But we're saved by grace through faith alone. Get out of your fleshly nonsense "Oh so many people don't want to take responsibility and say the devil made me do it". Absolute nonsense. We have the right to hate the devil and give him blame where blame is needed. He is the author of confusion and destruction, never give him a free pass. Don't give him too much credit either. Still, he works hard to destroy everyone and the bible says so.

Lucifer was the first to sin, the bible shows this before humans where even created. How do we know? Because the devil was already there as the serpent when Adam and Eve were made. This truth and biblical fact. It doesn't matter what you or other people think, this is biblical truth and fact found in the bible.

 

[Resha Caner]

The thing on your mind is ...

You don't know what is on my mind, and that you claim to know my mind says a lot.

Lucifer was the first to sin, the bible shows this before humans where even created. How do we know? Because the devil was already there as the serpent when Adam and Eve were made. This truth and biblical fact. It doesn't matter what you or other people think, this is biblical truth and fact found in the bible.

I make no claim about who was first to break with God's will. The serpent in Genesis 3:1 could have been the first, he could have been the hundredth. The Bible doesn't say. It could be that Genesis 3:1 was the first time the serpent broke with God's will. It could have been the hundredth time.

I have my opinions about which it is, and it seems you do as well. But they are opinions. Propping up your opinions as "biblical fact" is a dangerous game of putting words in God's mouth, and I won't play it with you.