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The Theory of Evolution does not pass a literal Genesis 1 -- therefore I deem it to be inclusive of Colossians 2:8.So who determined that the Theory of Evolution is either philosophy or vain deceit? You?
The Theory of Evolution does not pass a literal Genesis 1 -- therefore I deem it to be inclusive of Colossians 2:8.
Oh, yes indeed, I can say that without evidence.You cannot say Genesis is a valid explanation for the origin of species just because Genesis says so without evidence to back up the claims in Genesis.
All right. If a doctor diagnoses a child with cancer. Do the parents rely on their faith in God to heal the child or do they trust science?Oh, yes indeed, I can say that without evidence.
It's called faith -- believing something, even if science says otherwise.
They can trust God to trust a doctor.All right. If a doctor diagnoses a child with cancer. Do the parents rely on their faith in God to heal the child or do they trust science?
Jesus often spoke in parables. He was answering Pharisees about why he hung out with "sinners". He was not speaking of literal physicians.They can trust God to trust a doctor.
I know that sounds flaky, but Jesus made it clear:
Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Notice what He's saying here? the sick need a physician.
My point you do trust science on some things. People in the Bible thought conditions like epilepsy were caused by demons. Treat with medication or exorcism? Which one do you trust science or faith?And remember what Luke was called? the 'beloved physician'?
I like your example.All right. If a doctor diagnoses a child with cancer. Do the parents rely on their faith in God to heal the child or do they trust science?
That's right, and the parables He mentioned were not things He just sat and thought up on the spur of the moment; but they were things He actually witnessed.Jesus often spoke in parables.
Correct.He was answering Pharisees about why he hung out with "sinners".
That's because you don't know how He used parables -- and besides, I see nothing in that passage to indicate it was a parable in the first place.He was not speaking of literal physicians.
Absolutely I do, but I draw a line between science and Scripture that I will not cross over.My point you do trust science on some things.
You would have to convince me it was epilepsy in the first place.People in the Bible thought conditions like epilepsy were caused by demons.
If it's epilepsy, treat with medication; if it's demon possession, treat with exorcism.Treat with medication or exorcism?
Both: 752Which one do you trust science or faith?
What? No Col. 2:8?They can trust God to trust a doctor.
I know that sounds flaky, but Jesus made it clear:
Oh, yes indeed, I can say that without evidence.
It's called faith -- believing something, even if science says otherwise.
Source? There are multiple conditions described. One is where an individual was possessed and the other is where the individual had epilepsy. You've linked the two to elevate. Further ,the cause of sickness was identified at its root from the beginning. The same way Jesus could bypass the scalpel. Darwinian evolution isn't used to analyze.My point you do trust science on some things. People in the Bible thought conditions like epilepsy were caused by demons. Treat with medication or exorcism? Which one do you trust science or faith?
Note that you are talking about science (observable testable and repeatable phenomena). Limited adaptation is science, Darwinian evolution is not. Intelligence creating complex machinery is science, the viability of the Darwinian mechanism isn't. If an observable repeatable effect can be obtained through metaphysics, then it is used. If it can't, then an alternate is required.All right. If a doctor diagnoses a child with cancer. Do the parents rely on their faith in God to heal the child or do they trust science?
How can some you guys post here for years without losing some of it? For example, I am amazed that some posters are still posting so prolifically after years and their posts are pretty much the same as years ago. Still threatening people with Hell, heckling anyone who earnestly tries to know what they are talking about.
Their heads must be host to a particularly virulent meme,that keeps trying to replicate.
It is highly unlikely that anyone was ever possessed by demons. Therefore their must have been a natural explanation for people who everyone thought was possessed.Source? There are multiple conditions described. One is where an individual was possessed and the other is where the individual had epilepsy. You've linked the two to elevate. Further ,the cause of sickness was identified at its root from the beginning. The same way Jesus could bypass the scalpel. Darwinian evolution isn't used to analyze.
You have a much lower standard for acceptance of what you call "metaphysics" than "Darwinian evolution". Faith healers are known charlatans preying on superstitious people. There has never been a documented, repeatable case of faith healing by science.Note that you are talking about science (observable testable and repeatable phenomena). Limited adaptation is science, Darwinian evolution is not. Intelligence creating complex machinery is science, the viability of the Darwinian mechanism isn't. If an observable repeatable effect can be obtained through metaphysics, then it is used. If it can't, then an alternate is required.
I can't believe you live in Texas and you still feel that way. I said lose a little faith in humanity from reading creationist posts here not complete faith in humanity.I have plenty of faith in humanity. We have been doing just fine despite religious folk trying to keep us in perpetual darkness and submission. This is forum is not by any means representative of humankind as a whole, specially when you consider the highly polarized nature of the beliefs being represented here. In reality, most people are more moderate in their day-to-day life.
I can't believe you live in Texas and you still feel that way. I said lose a little faith in humanity from reading creationist posts here not complete faith in humanity.
They won't quiz you, yet they somehow know you are an atheist with no plans to reconvert?Actually I live in a small town with a higher than average ratio of churches to people. However, despite all this, the majority of people will not quizz you or bother you in regards to your religion, political affiliations, or race. I should know, being a moderate (leaning left) atheist Mexican and I have been received quite well by nearly everyone I've met in this little town, including the people who welcomed me into their churches (a Catholic one, Southern Baptist, Non-denominational, and a Episcopal) even when they knew I was an atheist with no plans to reconvert.
Actually I live in a small town with a higher than average ratio of churches to people. However, despite all this, the majority of people will not quizz you or bother you in regards to your religion, political affiliations, or race. I should know, being a moderate (leaning left) atheist Mexican and I have been received quite well by nearly everyone I've met in this little town, including the people who welcomed me into their churches (a Catholic one, Southern Baptist, Non-denominational, and a Episcopal) even when they knew I was an atheist with no plans to reconvert.
I live in Texas as well, and no one quizzes me about my religious beliefs. But people do vote for creationists on the School Board and any number of encroachments on the separation of church and state.Actually I live in a small town with a higher than average ratio of churches to people. However, despite all this, the majority of people will not quizz you or bother you in regards to your religion, political affiliations, or race. I should know, being a moderate (leaning left) atheist Mexican and I have been received quite well by nearly everyone I've met in this little town, including the people who welcomed me into their churches (a Catholic one, Southern Baptist, Non-denominational, and a Episcopal) even when they knew I was an atheist with no plans to reconvert.
I live in Texas as well, and no one quizzes me about my religious beliefs. But people do vote for creationists on the School Board and any number of encroachments on the separation of church and state.
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