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<blockquote data-quote="Serving Zion" data-source="post: 71221809" data-attributes="member: 387004"><p>Luke 1 and Luke 2 describe in detail that Jesus was not of a human father. There has been many people who knew God personally, but no other person ever had that relationship with Him except Jesus. This gave Jesus the ability to speak matter-of-factly when making claims that no one but the only-begotten son can make (eg John 14:6, Matthew 11:28-30).</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, many of us have a real living relationship with God, that we too can speak matter-of-factly in what we say (eg 2 Timothy 1:11-12, 2 Peter 1:3-4, John 1:12-13, 2 Corinthians 3:12, Mark 16:17-18).</p><p></p><p>When a Christian speaks in the power of God, The Holy Spirit points to Jesus through their words, whereas when Jesus spoke in the power of God, The Holy Spirit spoke through Him, claiming to be Christ Himself. </p><p></p><p>There are other people who from time to time claim to be the second coming of Christ, but you can see that they are not really speaking with the power of The Holy Spirit because their motive to make such claims is ego-driven (ie sinful) - not in accordance with God's will. Whereas, when you read what Jesus said, there is no mistaking that He speaks with the authority that belongs to the only-begotten, because He emptied Himself and became a perfectly honest representative of God (Philippians 2:5-8, Matthew 4:8-10).</p><p></p><p>You know, Jesus said not long before His crucifixion, in John 12:35: "You have the light for yet a little longer. Walk while you have the light, lest the darkness overtake you. Those who walk in the darkness do not know where they are going."</p><p></p><p>.. and we see that after the apostles established the early church and the false teachers arose (eg 2 Peter 2:1-3), there was the beginning of a great apostasy or falling-away from the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:3). </p><p></p><p>Now what we have is the result of 2,000 years of false teachings, wolves in sheep's clothing, basically this is to say that Christianity has been overrun by people who have told lies in order to convince others to join them (2 Peter 2:3). So it is literally impossible now for any person to go into the Christian religion without encountering some false doctrines and wolves in sheep's clothing - they are everywhere! Furthermore, many people, because they love God so much and they rather have peace with their fellow man so that they can join in worship to God, these ones might choose to concede to a false doctrine and believe a lie even though it doesn't make sense to them, just to take away the intensity of the dispute. <strong>Someone who is new to Christianity will often feel that it isn't their place to argue with a greater number of more experienced Christians, and in this way, their flame is quenched (Ephesians 4:14, Ephesians 5:6).</strong> But nevertheless, God knows their heart, that they have believed falsehoods for genuinely good reasons, and they are owed some mercy for that in the judgement.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, are people who will not compromise their conviction of righteousness (eg: many atheists cannot subject themselves to what seems to be plain immorality or a logical inconsistency with the character of God. For instance, is it really justice and love, that an innocent one should die for a guilty one, because it will subdue the anger caused by the errors of the guilty one?). These ones, who have integrity to their conscience and choose to disbelieve false teachers, will often end up being cursed by that false teacher as they go ("oh, well then if you don't believe the gospel even after I have told you, then you deserve to burn in hell. Bye bye <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/wave.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wave:" title="wave :wave:" data-shortname=":wave:" />"). That hurts people, you know? And it's really not very fair either, because they still have not really understood the gospel! Even though they haven't had sufficient opportunity to learn and understand the mechanism of salvation, now that they have been hurt in Jesus' name, they are going around with a predetermined objection to Christianity! .. so, there is rightfully some mercy owed to that on in the judgement too. </p><p></p><p>Can you see a common motif in these examples, that God's judgements are true and just? (ie, Revelation 19:1-2).</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, when we read about the final judgement in Matthew 25:31-46, it isn't mentioned that those who go into eternal life are judged worthy because they believed the gospel. Rather, they are judged worthy because they lived a life of love (fyi: 1 John 4:7-8).</p><p></p><p>"I have other sheep that are not of this fold, and they will follow me too. I must bring them also." - Jesus Christ.</p><p></p><p>Those who went into eternal damnation are condemned because they refused to do what love would have had them do (Matthew 25:42-43). Also, you might consider the warning given in Matthew 7:21-23. </p><p></p><p>I would like you to consider the wisdom of Jeremiah 9 as it applies to your pursuit of salvation and having a personal relationship with God.</p><p></p><p>This is right. This is why parents have such huge responsibility. King Soloman notes: God has made man straight, but man has sought out many devices. (Ecclesiastes 7:29). Jesus says that unless we turn and become again as little children, we can not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He says that the Kingdom of Heaven belongs t the such as the little ones, therefore don't despise them. I actually wrote quite good detail about that a few days ago, and how a child goes from being innocent to needing to be born again (note: death spread to all men, because all sinned). You would find an interesting read here: <a href="https://www.christianforums.com/threads/faith-believe-help.8005620/#post-71213611" target="_blank">Faith & Believe Help</a></p><p></p><p>Thank you for asking! Many will be called but few will be chosen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Serving Zion, post: 71221809, member: 387004"] Luke 1 and Luke 2 describe in detail that Jesus was not of a human father. There has been many people who knew God personally, but no other person ever had that relationship with Him except Jesus. This gave Jesus the ability to speak matter-of-factly when making claims that no one but the only-begotten son can make (eg John 14:6, Matthew 11:28-30). On the other hand, many of us have a real living relationship with God, that we too can speak matter-of-factly in what we say (eg 2 Timothy 1:11-12, 2 Peter 1:3-4, John 1:12-13, 2 Corinthians 3:12, Mark 16:17-18). When a Christian speaks in the power of God, The Holy Spirit points to Jesus through their words, whereas when Jesus spoke in the power of God, The Holy Spirit spoke through Him, claiming to be Christ Himself. There are other people who from time to time claim to be the second coming of Christ, but you can see that they are not really speaking with the power of The Holy Spirit because their motive to make such claims is ego-driven (ie sinful) - not in accordance with God's will. Whereas, when you read what Jesus said, there is no mistaking that He speaks with the authority that belongs to the only-begotten, because He emptied Himself and became a perfectly honest representative of God (Philippians 2:5-8, Matthew 4:8-10). You know, Jesus said not long before His crucifixion, in John 12:35: "You have the light for yet a little longer. Walk while you have the light, lest the darkness overtake you. Those who walk in the darkness do not know where they are going." .. and we see that after the apostles established the early church and the false teachers arose (eg 2 Peter 2:1-3), there was the beginning of a great apostasy or falling-away from the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Now what we have is the result of 2,000 years of false teachings, wolves in sheep's clothing, basically this is to say that Christianity has been overrun by people who have told lies in order to convince others to join them (2 Peter 2:3). So it is literally impossible now for any person to go into the Christian religion without encountering some false doctrines and wolves in sheep's clothing - they are everywhere! Furthermore, many people, because they love God so much and they rather have peace with their fellow man so that they can join in worship to God, these ones might choose to concede to a false doctrine and believe a lie even though it doesn't make sense to them, just to take away the intensity of the dispute. [B]Someone who is new to Christianity will often feel that it isn't their place to argue with a greater number of more experienced Christians, and in this way, their flame is quenched (Ephesians 4:14, Ephesians 5:6).[/B] But nevertheless, God knows their heart, that they have believed falsehoods for genuinely good reasons, and they are owed some mercy for that in the judgement. On the other hand, are people who will not compromise their conviction of righteousness (eg: many atheists cannot subject themselves to what seems to be plain immorality or a logical inconsistency with the character of God. For instance, is it really justice and love, that an innocent one should die for a guilty one, because it will subdue the anger caused by the errors of the guilty one?). These ones, who have integrity to their conscience and choose to disbelieve false teachers, will often end up being cursed by that false teacher as they go ("oh, well then if you don't believe the gospel even after I have told you, then you deserve to burn in hell. Bye bye :wave:"). That hurts people, you know? And it's really not very fair either, because they still have not really understood the gospel! Even though they haven't had sufficient opportunity to learn and understand the mechanism of salvation, now that they have been hurt in Jesus' name, they are going around with a predetermined objection to Christianity! .. so, there is rightfully some mercy owed to that on in the judgement too. Can you see a common motif in these examples, that God's judgements are true and just? (ie, Revelation 19:1-2). Furthermore, when we read about the final judgement in Matthew 25:31-46, it isn't mentioned that those who go into eternal life are judged worthy because they believed the gospel. Rather, they are judged worthy because they lived a life of love (fyi: 1 John 4:7-8). "I have other sheep that are not of this fold, and they will follow me too. I must bring them also." - Jesus Christ. Those who went into eternal damnation are condemned because they refused to do what love would have had them do (Matthew 25:42-43). Also, you might consider the warning given in Matthew 7:21-23. I would like you to consider the wisdom of Jeremiah 9 as it applies to your pursuit of salvation and having a personal relationship with God. This is right. This is why parents have such huge responsibility. King Soloman notes: God has made man straight, but man has sought out many devices. (Ecclesiastes 7:29). Jesus says that unless we turn and become again as little children, we can not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He says that the Kingdom of Heaven belongs t the such as the little ones, therefore don't despise them. I actually wrote quite good detail about that a few days ago, and how a child goes from being innocent to needing to be born again (note: death spread to all men, because all sinned). You would find an interesting read here: [URL="https://www.christianforums.com/threads/faith-believe-help.8005620/#post-71213611"]Faith & Believe Help[/URL] Thank you for asking! Many will be called but few will be chosen. [/QUOTE]
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