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I showed you the standard for our works to save is perfection.Jesus said you were wrong in the verse I quoted.
Actually, we would agree that this, too, comes from Christ. Just that what we do as a Christian along with faith in Christ is also a means by which we are saved by Him.All of it comes from Christ. I don’t know how much more Ephesians 2:10 can be emphasized. God equips us.
i see many have presented verses already and obviously these are not acceptable to you so why repeat them? Since the scriptural case is ineffective to you then lets see how rational your views are through philosophical perspectives? just read my second paragraph and lets see what possible reason/rational you have to support "faith alone".Present your case then to support your assertions.
Children of wrath will be judged.OK, lets clear all that up. do you believe we need to do good works, and be good like Christ stated in order to make it to heaven/avoid hell?
Christ is the Vine and we are the branches. I think that might apply to what you say above. John 15:5 says we cannot do anything without Him.Actually, we would agree that this, too, comes from Christ. Just that what we do as a Christian along with faith in Christ is also a means by which we are saved by Him.
Not in Ephesians which was a Gentile audience.Faith is the thing that bring you to God, but it is not the only thing that remains. Also, Paul always talks about "works" as the works of the Jewish law, that's why he mentioned circumcision
Not necessarily. They sound alike, but one can have faith in Christ to save them, and yet disobey Him, too.Christ is the Vine and we are the branches. I think that might apply to what you say above. John 15:5 says we cannot do anything without Him.
Faith truly implies faithfulness. Meaning we truly do what/Who we believe in.
It lacks an expository examination.i see many have presented verses already and obviously these are not acceptable to you so why repeat them? Since the scriptural case is ineffective to you then lets see how rational your views are through philosophical perspectives? just read my second paragraph and lets see what possible reason/rational you have to support "faith alone".
Edit: take it this way. If your scriptural views are correct then why is the opposing side (who is also showing scriptural views) more rational?
Well, there is a verse in Romans about the vines being cut off so it helps my pointChrist is the Vine and we are the branches. I think that might apply to what you say above. John 15:5 says we cannot do anything without Him.
Faith truly implies faithfulness. Meaning we truly do what/Who we believe in.
That's a big assumptionIt lacks an expository examination.
Here’s the rationale for Justification by faith alone....it’s Apolstolic teaching.
Paul says we are saved by Grace. He says if we add works to that it is no longer Grace. For him that was axiomatic.
It is faith alone because there is nothing else and nothing else mentioned.
I don’t think your church supports sinless perfection. Yes that is the goal to strive each day but only Christ was sinless and perfect in the flesh.Not necessarily. They sound alike, but one can have faith in Christ to save them, and yet disobey Him, too.
I thought you made that argument that was all about Israel and Gentiles when we discussed election.Well, there is a verse in Romans about the vines being cut off so it helps my point
ah no, he never said that. Not the way you probably understood it. This wasn't a rational either just your interpretation of what Paul meant.It lacks an expository examination.
Here’s the rationale for Justification by faith alone....it’s Apolstolic teaching.
Paul says we are saved by Grace. He says if we add works to that it is no longer Grace. For him that was axiomatic.
It is faith alone because there is nothing else and nothing else mentioned.
That is actually a précis for Romans.That's a big assumption
Well you are offering absolutely nothing in rebuttal other than “nah.”ah no, he never said that. Not the way you probably understood it. This wasn't a rational either just your interpretation of what Paul meant
Romans mentioned the letter was addressed to the ones who were already justified so how can it talk about Jews and Gentiles? Also the verse you talk about John mentioned being cut off but it would be against your Calvinist view that once one enters into the Covenant, he/she would never leaveI thought you made that argument that was all about Israel and Gentiles when we discussed election.
Can’t have it both ways. I think John 15:1-10 would be more appropriate. We can discuss that if you want because Jesus did say you must abide in Him to produce fruit.
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