Faith a belief without knowing for sure

[NewCreation17]

Snagged this i typed from earlier post about questions about the Word of GOD being transcribed correctly, but it may help with your question.
Faith is a given gift from Jesus, and we must Hold to the end

Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Having been filled with the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and working and witnessing gifts of the Holy Spirit of GOD, i can say that GOD's word is truth, and GOD Himself has made sure His word endures forever. With this said, faith is something that comes from GOD, and Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. It sounds to me like you need a spiritual experience.
Seek GOD with all your heart and he will reveal Himself to you, as He did me and many others. I can tell you of a truth, the KJV bible i have is the word of GOD and GOD alone has made sure His word has endured. The Spirit also bears witness of the truth... You really need the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

If you want to know how to be filled with the Holy Spirit and experience a relationship with GOD that only his Children have in Christ Jesus simply read this.

John 7:38-39 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

Ask GOD to fill you, seek Him with all your heart, and be willing to let go of all sin.

Luke 11:9-13
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?




Not only is it a personal spiritual experience to be filled, GOD will give you gifts of the Spirit for the perfecting of the saints and His good pleasure. gifts of tongues, prophecy, healing, miracles, word of wisdom, word of knowledge. Etc..

1 Corinthians 12:4-13
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Simply put, if you have the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and believe on Him as the scriptures hath said, you will know that GOD Himself has taken the guesswork out, no need to try and grab a Hebrew lexicon or search for all these different versions of the bible. GOD has made sure His word endures forever, and has NOT made it difficult to find His word. I just simply choose KJV bible because that is the Bible i was filled with Holy Spirit of GOD with, after which i endured a lot of afflictions and visions and spiritual warfare. Its time to stop questioning and trust in GOD that he has kept His own word free from error, and start reading and growing closer to GOD. And you would know that GOD has kept his word free from error if you would seek Him with your whole heart.

 

[zippy2006]

Um ... that's not fear. That's education and common knowledge/sense and awareness. We're know that getting out a moving car can cause damage to ourselves and property, so we don't do that. That doesn't equate to fear, more like using our common sense and education for self preservation.

You fear what would happen, which is just to say that you have knowledge that the act is dangerous. Fear is shrinking away from that which is perceived to be harmful. When we syllogistically argue from our armchair what ought to be done in a certain dangerous circumstance, the essence of the argument is to avoid that which harms. In that case we "syllogistically shrink away" from arguments leading to harm, yet we do not have palpable emotion of fear since the danger is not truly present to us. Yet if we were placed in that situation, we would feel fear (precisely because of our knowledge of what might happen). For example, we would feel fear if our car door was opened when the car was moving at a high speed. Fear is a concrete instantiation in our body of that which is known intellectually. Or, in the case of irrational fears, that which is believed intellectually.

 

[SamuelTP1977]

I feel that no one knows if Jesus came back from the dead or not, it is a matter of faith. Whether you are convinced there is a God or there is no God, or if you hold back judgment, this is because of Faith. Just because one is an atheist, that still doesn't mean, they have religious knowledge. There still could be a Hell for all anyone knows. I feel it is better to hope for heaven, and being religious is more authentic to the human condition. I feel believing in a higher power and Jesus has your back in the afterlife is a comforting thought. I do pray for the atheists and agnostics here to at least hope for a higher power. It is just more ingrained to how we live our lives. At least with a pinch of salt so as to not get too extreme and to live for the moment is important too. At least that is my take on it, take it for what it is worth.

 

[Black Dog]

Does a fish regret water? People understand that this world is not the correct one for us.

What do you mean by "This world is not the correct one for us?" I'm people, and I sure don't understand what you mean.

 

[Black Dog]

If all you have is a telescope, an outer planetary rover, a satellite, molecular physics, and relativity, everything still looks like a nail.

Only to the ignorant and uneducated.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

You fear what would happen,

No I don't. I KNOW what will happen. Not fear.

which is just to say that you have knowledge that the act is dangerous.

That's not fearing the act. I have knowledge that cars are dangerous, I still drive.

Fear is shrinking away from that which is perceived to be harmful.

Right.

When we syllogistically argue from our armchair what ought to be done in a certain dangerous circumstance, the essence of the argument is to avoid that which harms. In that case we "syllogistically shrink away" from arguments leading to harm, yet we do not have palpable emotion of fear since the danger is not truly present to us.

Right. And even in its presence an undesirable outcome doesn't equate to fear.

Yet if we were placed in that situation, we would feel fear (precisely because of our knowledge of what might happen).

No, there's quite a few emotions that can come about. It isn't necessarily fear all the time. Not wanting an undesirable outcome isn't fear.

 

[SkyWriting]

What do you mean by "This world is not the correct one for us?" I'm people, and I sure don't understand what you mean.

Death
Disease
War
Injustice
Democracy
Dictatorships
Predjudice
Bias
Mean people
Ignorance
Sleeplessness
Stress
Sloth
Religion

Those are a sample of the complaints that other folks have expressed.
Some you may have embraced, some you don't.

 

[SkyWriting]

What is the benefit to wishful thinking?

It leads to better outcomes.

 

[variant]

It leads to better outcomes.

"Better" is subjective. Hard data only please.

The list I've gotten from you is less helpful, so God wins.

Morality doesn't require Gods. We are free to work towards what we see as "better" on our own.

So again, why does wishful thinking help? Or, is it just your preference?

 

[Black Dog]

Death
Disease
War
Injustice
Democracy
Dictatorships
Predjudice
Bias
Mean people
Ignorance
Sleeplessness
Stress
Sloth
Religion

Those are a sample of the complaints that other folks have expressed.
Some you may have embraced, some you don't.

Evolution can be a bugger alright. But we still belong here, this is where we evolved. Where else would we belong?

 

[zippy2006]

Not wanting an undesirable outcome isn't fear.

Why don't you tell us what you think fear is? For English language speakers, it is just what I said it was. It is a shrinking away from harm, which requires knowledge of harmful consequences. If you don't have knowledge or belief that harm will ensue, then you can't have fear. Period. It's not either knowledge or fear, it's both.

Merriam Webster:
Fear (noun)

1. a : an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger

1. b (1) : an instance of this emotion (2) : a state marked by this emotion​

 

[David Colin Gould]

Death
Disease
War
Injustice
Democracy
Dictatorships
Predjudice
Bias
Mean people
Ignorance
Sleeplessness
Stress
Sloth
Religion

Those are a sample of the complaints that other folks have expressed.
Some you may have embraced, some you don't.

You sound like a Gnostic - they believed that this world had been created by Satan and that the more we embraced the things of this world the further we were from God. Some castrated themselves to avoid temptation.

The thing is, this world also contains love, kittens, caring, kitten, kind people, kittens, wonders like the human brain and colliding galaxies, kittens, sex, kittens, cricket, kittens, Terry Pratchett books, kittens, Monty Python, kittens, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, kittens, Beethoven, kittens, friendship, kittens ...

And, yes, many people do not get to experience the good in this world. We are lucky in the wealthy West. But humans are moving out of poverty at the fastest rate in history right now. Diseases that onces tore through whole nations are coming under control - and not via prayer, but via thought, (and Watson http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/06/27/watsons-next-feat-taking-on-cancer/.) While more people than ever are at war, that is a function of expanding human population not an increase in the amount of war. Crime has been falling dramatically for two decades now in the west, and we are coming up some interesting ways to reduce it further - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151007124810.htm.

We can complain about the world or we can try to make it better. For those who think that there is a better life available after death, well, we are all very much aware of the terrible consequences that can arise from such thinking.

 

[SkyWriting]

You sound like a Gnostic - they believed that this world had been created by Satan and that the more we embraced the things of this world the further we were from God. Some castrated themselves to avoid temptation.

The thing is, this world also contains love, kittens, caring, kitten, kind people, kittens, wonders like the human brain and colliding galaxies, kittens, sex, kittens, cricket, kittens, Terry Pratchett books, kittens, Monty Python, kittens, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, kittens, Beethoven, kittens, friendship, kittens ...

And, yes, many people do not get to experience the good in this world. We are lucky in the wealthy West. But humans are moving out of poverty at the fastest rate in history right now. Diseases that onces tore through whole nations are coming under control - and not via prayer, but via thought, (and Watson http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/06/27/watsons-next-feat-taking-on-cancer/.) While more people than ever are at war, that is a function of expanding human population not an increase in the amount of war. Crime has been falling dramatically for two decades now in the west, and we are coming up some interesting ways to reduce it further - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151007124810.htm.

We can complain about the world or we can try to make it better. For those who think that there is a better life available after death, well, we are all very much aware of the terrible consequences that can arise from such thinking.

Animals do not worry. So why should you?

 

[SkyWriting]

Evolution can be a bugger alright. But we still belong here, this is where we evolved. Where else would we belong?

Where ther is no pain or fear of death, or evil, or anything other than love.
I am not the first person to notice injustice.
Your only justification for evil is we must deal with our tiny lot in life by
believing in your beliefs system? Is that your advice for me?

 

[David Colin Gould]

Animals do not worry. So why should you?

I am not sure what your point is. You are the one saying how this world is not for humans and how terrible it is.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am not sure what your point is. You are the one saying how this world is not for humans and how terrible it is.

That's not something animals normally worry about.

 

[SkyWriting]

And, yes, many people do not get to experience the good in this world.

And there are those who are murdered, those who die young, and those
who die of cancer young. Those born to abusive parents, with defects
due to parental drug use, and some with missing organs. No difference
between east or west.

 

[David Colin Gould]

That's not something animals normally worry about.

I'm assuming you mean non-human animals; human animals worry about things like this a fair bit.

 

[David Colin Gould]

And there are those who are murdered, those who die young, and those
who die of cancer young. Those born to abusive parents, with defects
due to parental drug use, and some with missing organs. No difference
between east or west.

There is a big difference between the wealthy West and other nations in these regards, in that there are vastly more examples of such in poorer nations. But someone who suffers in wealth or in poverty suffers nonetheless. So do that extent there is no difference. I am unclear what your point is, however.

 

[Black Dog]

Where ther is no pain or fear of death, or evil, or anything other than love.
I am not the first person to notice injustice.
Your only justification for evil is we must deal with our tiny lot in life by
believing in your beliefs system? Is that your advice for me?

Sorry, what advice was I giving? I said that we evolved on Earth, so this is where we belong. Where do you think we belong?