Facts to disprove theory of evolution

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Have a nice day.

God Bless.

Why even bother responding with that? Really?

 

[Neogaia777]

That's true enough if you think about "design" in the broad popular sense, but that's not what we are talking about. ID, or Intelligent Design (note the caps) is a specific proposal about how biochemistry works, so it is indeed a proper subject for a Life Sciences forum.

Well, I'm not familiar with that proposal, but I do believe the universe has a creator, or an originator, or was intelligently thought out/purposed and/or was intelligently designed, etc. And I believe this for the reasons that I just now specified, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why even bother responding with that? Really?

I don't want to derail the thread, or put a stop to the topic here, etc.

Take Care/God Bless

 

[Astrid]

Order doesn't come from disorder, and design/order itself is evidence of design, etc. And I think this is what the Bible is talking about when it says people have no excuse when looking at creation, etc.

But this thread is in the Physical and Life sciences forum, and this thread is supposed to be about evolution, so this is the only time I'm going to mention this for now, etc.

Take Care/God Bless.

It's just nonsense to say order
does not come from disorder, and
claim its a basic principle unless of nature.

Crystals grow from the random disorder
of a solution. Endless other examoles.
Raindrops randomly falling create a river, with
all its predictable features of riffle and run, incised meanders, cit off oxbow, tributaries, distributaries, sand bars...it's orderly.


Let's see if you can concede to that so - basic error.

 

[Astrid]

Order and disorder are purely human concepts that we've created to make our lifes easier.

Nah

 

[Neogaia777]

It's just nonsense to say order
does not come from disorder, and
claim its a basic principle unless of nature.

Crystals grow from the random disorder
of a solution. Endless other examoles.

Let's see if you can concede to that error.

I don't think anything is truly random.

Have a good/nice day.

Take Care/God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

Well, I'm not familiar with that proposal, but I do believe the universe has a creator, or an originator, or was intelligently thought out/purposed and/or was intelligently designed, etc. And I believe this for the reasons that I just now specified, etc.

God Bless.

You going to keep "no order from disorder "
as one of them?

 

[Astrid]

I don't think anything is truly random.

Have a good/nice day.

Take Care/God Bless.

Cute dodge.
Disorder was your word.
A salt solution is disorderly
When it crystalizes there is an
increase in order.
But you can't admit it or your whole
construct of reality falls apart?

 

[Neogaia777]

You going to keep "no order from disorder "
as one of them?

People can look at different things, and conclude different things, etc, and while the fact that I think the universe/creation has order is one of the reasons I believe, it is not the only reason I believe, etc.

Take Care.

 

[Neogaia777]

Cute dodge.
Disorder was your word.
A salt solution is disorderly
When it crystalizes there is an
increase in order.
But you can't admit it or your whole
construct of reality falls apart?

I don't think you understand dear.

The fact that the universe has order is not the only reason I believe, etc.

But it is a pretty good one, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

People can look at different things, and conclude different things, etc, and while the fact that I think the universe/creation has order is one of the reasons I believe, it is not the only reason I believe, etc.

Take Care.

A belief worth having requires no
evasion or dodges.

Do you claim there is no increase in order
when crystals form from solution?

That's a yes / no.

 

[Neogaia777]

Cute dodge.
Disorder was your word.
A salt solution is disorderly
When it crystalizes there is an
increase in order.
But you can't admit it or your whole
construct of reality falls apart?

I also think you don't realize that the only reason I'm not saying very much, is only because I do not want to derail (too much) your main topic in the OP here, etc.

Take Care/God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

I don't think you understand dear.

The fact that the universe has order is not the only reason I believe, etc.

But it is a pretty good one, etc.

God Bless.

Always a dodge.
So you can't admit that the " order" reason is nonsense?

 

[Astrid]

I also think you don't realize that the only reason I'm not saying very much, is only because I do not want to derail (too much) your main topic in the OP here, etc.

Take Care/God Bless.

Another dodge.

 

[Neogaia777]

A belief worth having requires no
evasion or dodges.

Do you claim there is no increase in order
when crystals form from solution?

That's a yes / no.

Atomic structure has order, and can be mathematically predicted, thus everything above that also has order, or can be mathematically predicted/proven (as having order, etc) although we are still a long, long way off from that, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Another dodge.

I'm a hard line determinist, etc, and believe all of this can be all summed up in one kind of mathematical equation/expression, etc. So, yeah, you can bet I believe the universe/creation has a lot of order, and therefore an intelligent mind or intelligent designer behind it, etc.

But I also don't expect you to believe what I believe either, etc.

God Bless.

 

[dlamberth]

" life force" / vitalism has no evidence- backed merit

" Design" has none either though if anyone wishes to search its their time n dime, but as in the absence of
Bigfoot, I see no space for serious talk. For eitherr position.

I wouldn't expect anything less. Your not of the world of mystics which I referenced.

 

[BCP1928]

I'm a hard line determinist, etc, and believe all of this can be all summed up in one kind of mathematical equation/expression, etc. So, yeah, you can bet I believe the universe/creation has a lot of order, and therefore an intelligent mind or designer behind it, etc.

But I also don't expect you to believe what I believe either, etc.

God Bless.

I think that if you really looked into it you would find that physical determinism is no longer tenable, nor (from a theological standpoint) was it ever really necessary to the workings of divine Providence.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think that if you really looked into it you would find that physical determinism is no longer tenable, nor (from a theological standpoint) was it ever really necessary to the workings of divine Providence.

Well, I disagree completely, but that's another argument for another time.

God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

I'm a hard line determinist, etc, and believe all of this can be all summed up in one kind of mathematical equation/expression, etc. So, yeah, you can bet I believe the universe/creation has a lot of order, and therefore an intelligent mind or intelligent designer behind it, etc.

But I also don't expect you to believe what I believe either, etc.

God Bless.

Dodge city