Extinct Life in Universe: Start Search at Venus!

[Bob8102]

From a creationist point of view, God might have created life all over the universe, then destroyed some or all of it (except on the earth) as part of the Curse. In the search for life - present or extinct - beyond the earth, we may have to look no further than Venus! Geologically, Venus is like the earth: about our same size and gravity, a rocky-core planet with an atmosphere, in an orbit near ours. From a biblical viewpoint, since creation was perfect at the beginning, then Venus would have had nothing like its current, hellish atmosphere when it was first created. Quite likely, its existence had something to do with us, and it was an earth-like planet. Whether it had an ecosystem or was only "life-ready" is a matter of sheer speculation. Maybe we were originally meant to bring life there from the earth. Or maybe there was life, planet-wide. In any case, God apparently destroyed it's environment after the Curse as a way of saying, "You are not going to live here, after all!"

Evolutionists now say that Venus was earth-like in the past. But I think the creationists were there first! It makes much sense from a creationist viewpoint to think that Venus was earth-like at creation. I think that NASA, if it can develop systems able to withstand the Venus environment, should put machines on Venus that can drill deep underground in search of trace remains of a past ecosystem. Maybe there are only chemical traces, but, who knows: fossils?

I have just created an online forum for discussion about this called The Venus Underground. It is at venusundergrounddrill.com. Discussion here or there is welcome!

 

[BCP1928]

What curse? What are you talking about? The notion of life on other planets is intriguing, but shouldn't we look first where there might be some now?

 

[Bob8102]

If you are asking "What curse?" than I see that you do not have the common biblical worldview. But for those of us who do, Venus, our sister planet, is quite likely to have once had life. Of course, we should look for existent life on other worlds, because God may not have destroyed it all, if it existed. Venus' environment makes operations there extremely challenging. We might well find earth-like exoplanets before we drill on Venus.

 

[BCP1928]

If you are asking "What curse?" than I see that you do not have the common biblical worldview. But for those of us who do, Venus, our sister planet, is quite likely to have once had life. Of course, we should look for existent life on other worlds, because God may not have destroyed it all, if it existed. Venus' environment makes operations there extremely challenging. We might well find earth-like exoplanets before we drill on Venus.

Evidently I don't have the "common biblical worldview." I am aware of nothing in the Bible that has anything at all to do with life on other planets.

 

[mindlight]

If you are asking "What curse?" than I see that you do not have the common biblical worldview. But for those of us who do, Venus, our sister planet, is quite likely to have once had life. Of course, we should look for existent life on other worlds, because God may not have destroyed it all, if it existed. Venus' environment makes operations there extremely challenging. We might well find earth-like exoplanets before we drill on Venus.

How would you support the notion that Venus had life from scripture? The Genesis account only talks about the creation of life on Earth. The existence of flying angels who pop in and out of our existence and Jesus's Ascension up into the sky may speak of other planes of existence for life but it is a stretch to apply that to nearby planets.

Also, what we know of Venus, its molten land surface, sulphuric acid in the atmosphere, impossible temperatures, and pressures means that it is entirely unlikely that it ever could have supported life.

I happen to believe that God's judgment at the Fall and also at the Flood did have universe-wide impacts and indeed the aging of the rocks for example could only really be explained supernaturally - but it is a step way too far to think that Venus ever supported life.

 

[Bob8102]

The God of the Bible has created far more than is in our philosophy. One of my favorite sayings is: "Why is truth stranger than fiction? Because the imagination of God is infinitely greater than the imagination of Man." I don't believe in human-equivalent or superior natural realm extraterrestrials. There are a few solid, biblical reasons for this. One, in Hebrews it says Christ died ONCE for sins. But I think it is reasonable to wonder if God intended us to subdue and have dominion over the whole universe, not just the earth. God is a giver of big gifts. That He intended for us to have dominion over a universe of living creatures is a reasonable extrapolation of what scripture says.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Nope. None of this makes any sense.

 

[Bob8102]

I forgot to add: speaking of Venus' molten land surface....Years ago, I proposed the idea of drilling on Venus to a knowledgeable amateur astronomer. He said that finding any traces of life is very dubious because even the rocks on Venus slowly flow. Days ago, I read that they flow over geologic ages. Evolutionists believe geologic ages are billions of years long. But the common, creationist view is that the entire universe is only about 6,000 years old. I asked ChatGPT if, given the creationist timeline, would there be a chance that some traces of life on Venus may yet exist? It allowed for that possibility.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yeah, still not getting why we should search Venus for life to support a Creationist view.

 

[AV1611VET]

Didn't they find Gumby on Venus?

 

[mindlight]

Didn't they find Gumby on Venus?

As a fired clay pot swept away by a molten lava flow and then crushed to dust by 92 atmospheres of pressure?

 

[Apple Sky]

From a creationist point of view, God might have created life all over the universe,

King James Bible
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

 

[AV1611VET]

As a fired clay pot swept away by a molten lava flow and then crushed to dust by 92 atmospheres of pressure?

Poor guy! No wonder I don't see him around no more!

 

[RileyG]

What curse? What are you talking about? The notion of life on other planets is intriguing, but shouldn't we look first where there might be some now?

The fall of humankind AKA original sin from the book of Genesis, I assume.

 

[RileyG]

King James Bible
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

I believe Jesus is talking about the Kingdom of Heaven, and not some other worldly planet?

 

[ViaCrucis]

What curse? What are you talking about? The notion of life on other planets is intriguing, but shouldn't we look first where there might be some now?

I can only presume that this is a reference to the Fall. Death is, at times, described as a curse; stemming from the Genesis pronouncement that on the day they sin, Adam and Eve would die; and in the New Testament the language employed is that Christ bore the curse of sin and death in order to destroy the power of that curse. In the biblical narrative of redemption death and sin are regarded as existing in antithesis to God's intended purposes for creation. It is a curse in that it is in opposition to the innate goodness of creation.

What that has to do with hypothetical life on other planets, however, is anyone's guess.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I believe Jesus is talking about the Kingdom of Heaven, and not some other worldly planet?

Understanding that the kingdom isn't a place at all.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[RileyG]

Understanding that the kingdom isn't a place at all.

-CryptoLutheran

Amen