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The issue here is WHY is one exploring? Does one not believe there is a Creator-God?

Does one suppose God doesn't care about man and did not give us His Word about salvation and hope? Does one think he/she is wiser and more capable than God and can tell Him what is best? Is one too proud to humble self and receive God's love-gift of a Savior in His beloved Son?

Is one reading the Word of Truth as God declares? Is one incapable of understanding the simple message God has Given mankind in His Word?

These things are all elementary, and many souls believe less sources in the world about many things ---why not believe and trust God-the Father who has declared His love and care for us, IF we will receive Him?
 

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The issue here is WHY is one exploring? Does one not believe there is a Creator-God?

Does one suppose God doesn't care about man and did not give us His Word about salvation and hope? Does one think he/she is wiser and more capable than God and can tell Him what is best? Is one too proud to humble self and receive God's love-gift of a Savior in His beloved Son?

Is one reading the Word of Truth as God declares? Is one incapable of understanding the simple message God has Given mankind in His Word?

These things are all elementary, and many souls believe less sources in the world about many things ---why not believe and trust God-the Father who has declared His love and care for us, IF we will receive Him?

All true. Thank you 1watchman.
 
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If, thirty years ago, somebody had taken the Bible and Nicene Creed, said, "Hear it is," and tried to thrust it down my throat, I would not today be a Christian, and I will tell you that for nothing.

Perhaps you should push off to another forum, if you can't empathise with the genuine seekers who are here.
 
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The issue here is WHY is one exploring? Does one not believe there is a Creator-God?

Does one suppose God doesn't care about man and did not give us His Word about salvation and hope? Does one think he/she is wiser and more capable than God and can tell Him what is best? Is one too proud to humble self and receive God's love-gift of a Savior in His beloved Son?

Is one reading the Word of Truth as God declares? Is one incapable of understanding the simple message God has Given mankind in His Word?

These things are all elementary, and many souls believe less sources in the world about many things ---why not believe and trust God-the Father who has declared His love and care for us, IF we will receive Him?

A couple of things.

This place is for seekers to ask hard questions they wrestle with, and an opportunity for Christians to provides answers in the hope that what the seeker finds here will be the key that leads them to God and Jesus. It is not, as far as I understand it, a place for a Christian to make a declarative statement to the effect that they are baffled why seekers cannot see what the posting Christian thinks is obvious.

This place is for non-Christians/Seekers to post questions, with only Christians providing their perspective. You, a Christian, have posted first, and now it's a dubious prospect for any non-Christian or Seeker to post in reply to your declaratives of what you think are obvious (some Christians are willing to recognize that some things are not obvious), in accordance with the rules of this section of the forums. So, this post puts non-Christians and Seekers on the defensive, and leaves them facing the prospect of having to put a toe over the line, rules-wise, to defend themselves. This could easily be interpreted as an insult, to place non-Christian and Seekers in this position. Wouldn't it be better to come across as humble and accommodating in a place where Christians are in the majority, so as to make non-Christian and Seekers feel welcome and comfortable in this place and situation...? It's not very sporting, otherwise, is it?

Finally, the statements you are asserting function as an insinuation of non-Christians and Seekers ability to recognize the obvious, when both Christians and non-Christians can easily tell you that after spending time circling around a finely-tuned point of apologetics, at the end of the day their comes a point where the reason and rational behind apologetics so often still seems to give way to the need to go beyond to a leap of faith. And a leap of faith means to go beyond what is obvious. So your statements about what are obvious are, I'm afraid, not obvious.

Your insinuation that your assertions are obvious can also be in danger of being interpreted as insulting.

And for all the reasons I've discussed above, your post does not help the cause of Christianity. In point of fact, as another poster has more eloquently and concisely stated, you may well cause harm to the Christian mission to effectively spread the message. That's the bottom line, isn't it?

This section of the forums, Exploring Christianity...[Inigo Montoya]I don't think it means what you think it means[/Inigo Montoya]. 'Just saying.
 
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The issue here is WHY is one exploring? Does one not believe there is a Creator-God?
No one does not! (i.e. I do not)


Does one suppose God doesn't care about man and did not give us His Word about salvation and hope?
Yes one does! (i.e. I do)


Does one think he/she is wiser and more capable than God and can tell Him what is best?
Wiser and more capable than an entity that
does not exist: Yes one thinks that.
(i.e. I think I am)


Is one too proud to humble self and receive God's love-gift of a Savior in His beloved Son?
Yes one is (i.e. I am) because there is no god.


Is one reading the Word of Truth as God declares?
Yes one is (i.e. I am) but it does not make
much sense.


Is one incapable of understanding the simple message God has Given mankind in His Word?
Yes one is incapable (i.e. I am incapable)


These things are all elementary, and many souls believe less sources in the world about many things ---why not believe and trust God-the Father who has declared His love and care for us, IF we will receive Him?
Huh? :confused:
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Originally Posted by 1watchman
Does one suppose God doesn't care about man and did not give us His Word about salvation and hope?
Yes one does! (i.e. I do)

You know, this part, separated out from the rest of the text struck me anew. Anyone could easily go to the Depression section of the forums and find Christians suffering from depression and having great difficulty not giving in to despair. And they, Christians, have doubts that God cares; and are not as readily able to take comfort in the salvation and hope you are talking about, 1watchman. Would you say these things to them, and expect them to just automatically switch off their struggle with depression, just because of words that you say? Would you risk their salvation by alienating them from their fellow Christians? Not quite quite the same as doing it here in the Explore Christianity section, but the parallel is still a highly problematic and questionable approach. All the best to you, sir.
 
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If, thirty years ago, somebody had taken the Bible and Nicene Creed, said, "Hear it is," and tried to thrust it down my throat, I would not today be a Christian, and I will tell you that for nothing.

Perhaps you should push off to another forum, if you can't empathise with the genuine seekers who are here.

:thumbsup: I don't know what you thought this comment would achieve for anyone, 1watchman. Perhaps you could explain this for us?
 
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I think several have made good responses. That's not the way I "recieved" the OP though. I think it's a good idea to every once in a while self-examine one's true motives for their actions. Even though I'm a Christian, I still do that. Shouldn't we all, whether we're a believer or not? However, maybe this wasn't the best way to post this idea. I'm willing to forgive and move on.
 
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No one does not! (i.e. I do not)



Yes one does! (i.e. I do)



Wiser and more capable than an entity that
does not exist: Yes one thinks that.
(i.e. I think I am)



Yes one is (i.e. I am) because there is no god.



Yes one is (i.e. I am) but it does not make
much sense.



Yes one is incapable (i.e. I am incapable)



Huh? :confused:
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Then why are you here? Do you think you can convince us we are all wrong?

Do you think your intellect is better than ours? Can you prove what yu believe is true?

If you want to know if God is real, ask Him to show you the truth. All we can do is lead you to the water but only God can make you drink it.

kermit
 
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Then why are you here?
I am asking myself the same question, when
I meet people like you.

Do you think you can convince us we are all wrong?
Don't use 'us' when speaking about yourself.

To answer the question: I couldn't care less
what you believe in.

Do you think your intellect is better than ours?
Don't use 'ours' when you speak about
yourself.
As to the question:
No comment necessary.


Can you prove what yu believe is true?
Most of it has been proven beyond a
reasonable doubt - so I don't have to.

If you want to know if God is real, ask Him to show you the truth. All we can do is lead you to the water but only God can make you drink it.
Whatever...
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I think several have made good responses. That's not the way I "recieved" the OP though. I think it's a good idea to every once in a while self-examine one's true motives for their actions. Even though I'm a Christian, I still do that. Shouldn't we all, whether we're a believer or not? However, maybe this wasn't the best way to post this idea. I'm willing to forgive and move on.

I agree with this for the most part, although like oi antz I am curious if 1watchman has any inclination to weigh in to provide confirmation, or illuminate any intended aspects of his post that don't really come across as clearly as he might have wanted to. Without anything along those lines, there isn't much left here that's going to be productive, and yeah, might as well move on.
 
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I am asking myself the same question, when
I meet people like you.


What am I like?


Don't use 'us' when speaking about yourself


Dont tell me how to post. If you don't like it, you have a solution.

To answer the question: I couldn't care less
what you believe in.


I am broken hearted.


Don't use 'ours' when you speak about
yourself.


Don't tell me how to post.



As to the question:
No comment necessary.


IOW you can't answer the question.

Most of it has been proven beyond a
reasonable doubt - so I don't have to.
Name one thing you believe that has been proven at all let alone beyond a reasonable doubt. Don't forget to tell how it was proven.


Whatever...
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Brilliant remark. That explains why you can't answer my quesions.

kermit
 
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