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FreeinChrist said:
Can anyone give a brief rundown comparing Classic Dispensationism vs. Progressive Dispensationism vs. Pauline Disp. vs. hyperdispensationism vs.
is there another one?

The term "classic dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of many early dispensationalists (Darby, Scofield and Chafer, Scofield Bible). "Traditional dispensationalists" (or Revised dispensationalists) describe the beliefs of those from the 1950s through today (Ryrie, Walvoord, Revised Scofield Bible). "Progressive dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of some dispensationalists from the early 1990s (Bock, Blaising, Saucy). Ultradispensationalism originated with Bullinger in the early 1900s in England. "Hyperdispensationalism" is synonymous with "Ultradispensationalism." Many Ultras also refer to their view as "Pauline dispensationalism" or "Mid-Acts."

Classic dispensationalists held that there are 2 peoples of God - a heavenly people and an earthly people. The heavenly people consist of believers in this church age plus the OT resurrected saints. The earthly people will consist of those saved individuals (Jews and Gentiles) who remain on the earth when Jesus returns again, plus their descendants who also believe. This dual "state" continued throughout eternity. Classical dispensationalists also held to a dual hermeneutic - When the OT was interpreted literally it would reveal God's purpose for the earthly people, and when the OT was interpreted "typologically" it would reveal God's purpose for the heavenly people.

Traditional dispensationalists dropped the eternal dualism of a heavenly people/earthly people and made a distinction between Israel and the Church. Traditional dispensationalists continued emphasis on a literal interpretation of the OT, but de-emphasized or dropped the "typological" hermeneutic employed by classic disps. Traditional disps tend to interpret OT quotations in the NT to be application rather than fulfillment.

Progressive dispensationalists continue to make a distinction between Israel and the Church, but the view is a bit more nuanced. Israel continues to exist in this age of grace, and consists of believing Jews and unbelieving Jews. These believing Jews are members of Israel and are members of the Church at the same time. Believing Jews and believing Gentiles together make up the Church. All progressives see this overlap between Israel and the Church, which a number of traditional disps have acknowledged as well. Progressives also continue a literal interpretation of the OT and do not employ the "typological" hermeneutic of classic disps. Progressives also nuance the traditional disp view that OT quotations in the NT are application only. Instead, each quotation, citation, or allusion are considered on a case-by-case basis. Some are seen having an "already-but not yet" fulfillment.

Ultradispensationalists hold that not only is Israel and the Church distinct, they are also mutually exclusive. While classic, traditional and progressive dispensationalists view the church as beginning at Pentecost in Acts 2, ultradispensationalists locate the beginning of the church further on in the book of Acts. Hence the names "Mid-Acts" or "Acts 28." They divide the earlier chapters of Acts into a series of different dispensations. In general they would also emphasize a literal interpretation of the OT. Ultras have generally distanced themselves from traditional and progressive dispensationalists, and they have separate churches, pastors and seminaries.


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FreeinChrist said:
Can anyone give a brief rundown comparing Classic Dispensationism vs. Progressive Dispensationism vs. Pauline Disp. vs. hyperdispensationism vs.
is there another one?

You will find this in General Theology under Dipensations using Scofield bible and Chaffers teachings.......
 
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LamorakDesGalis said:
The term "classic dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of many early dispensationalists (Darby, Scofield and Chafer, Scofield Bible). "Traditional dispensationalists" (or Revised dispensationalists) describe the beliefs of those from the 1950s through today (Ryrie, Walvoord, Revised Scofield Bible). "Progressive dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of some dispensationalists from the early 1990s (Bock, Blaising, Saucy). Ultradispensationalism originated with Bullinger in the early 1900s in England. "Hyperdispensationalism" is synonymous with "Ultradispensationalism." Many Ultras also refer to their view as "Pauline dispensationalism" or "Mid-Acts..."

That's not a bad answer, good Sir. Given the source, this is high praise. This one is for the hard drive.

Some Bullinger folk maintain a site at this URL:
http://www.heavendwellers.com

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LamorakDesGalis said:
The term "classic dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of many early dispensationalists (Darby, Scofield and Chafer, Scofield Bible). "Traditional dispensationalists" (or Revised dispensationalists) describe the beliefs of those from the 1950s through today (Ryrie, Walvoord, Revised Scofield Bible). "Progressive dispensationalists" describe the beliefs of some dispensationalists from the early 1990s (Bock, Blaising, Saucy). Ultradispensationalism originated with Bullinger in the early 1900s in England. "Hyperdispensationalism" is synonymous with "Ultradispensationalism." Many Ultras also refer to their view as "Pauline dispensationalism" or "Mid-Acts."

Classic dispensationalists held that there are 2 peoples of God - a heavenly people and an earthly people. The heavenly people consist of believers in this church age plus the OT resurrected saints. The earthly people will consist of those saved individuals (Jews and Gentiles) who remain on the earth when Jesus returns again, plus their descendants who also believe. This dual "state" continued throughout eternity. Classical dispensationalists also held to a dual hermeneutic - When the OT was interpreted literally it would reveal God's purpose for the earthly people, and when the OT was interpreted "typologically" it would reveal God's purpose for the heavenly people.

Traditional dispensationalists dropped the eternal dualism of a heavenly people/earthly people and made a distinction between Israel and the Church. Traditional dispensationalists continued emphasis on a literal interpretation of the OT, but de-emphasized or dropped the "typological" hermeneutic employed by classic disps. Traditional disps tend to interpret OT quotations in the NT to be application rather than fulfillment.

Progressive dispensationalists continue to make a distinction between Israel and the Church, but the view is a bit more nuanced. Israel continues to exist in this age of grace, and consists of believing Jews and unbelieving Jews. These believing Jews are members of Israel and are members of the Church at the same time. Believing Jews and believing Gentiles together make up the Church. All progressives see this overlap between Israel and the Church, which a number of traditional disps have acknowledged as well. Progressives also continue a literal interpretation of the OT and do not employ the "typological" hermeneutic of classic disps. Progressives also nuance the traditional disp view that OT quotations in the NT are application only. Instead, each quotation, citation, or allusion are considered on a case-by-case basis. Some are seen having an "already-but not yet" fulfillment.

Ultradispensationalists hold that not only is Israel and the Church distinct, they are also mutually exclusive. While classic, traditional and progressive dispensationalists view the church as beginning at Pentecost in Acts 2, ultradispensationalists locate the beginning of the church further on in the book of Acts. Hence the names "Mid-Acts" or "Acts 28." They divide the earlier chapters of Acts into a series of different dispensations. In general they would also emphasize a literal interpretation of the OT. Ultras have generally distanced themselves from traditional and progressive dispensationalists, and they have separate churches, pastors and seminaries.


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I had a post here but was concerned that the quoted poster ight get offended.

Could you take a look at this thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t1946127-dispensations.html

I was wondering if Dispensationism was being correctly presented - specifically Chafer.
 
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FreeinChrist said:
Thanks!


I had a post here but was concerned that the quoted poster ight get offended.

Could you take a look at this thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t1946127-dispensations.html

I was wondering if Dispensationism was being correctly presented - specifically Chafer.

There is a mixture of fact, misrepresentation and (false) speculation by theend0218. You did a great job answering some of the errors. But bottom line is he is missing major points in classic dispensationalism, and he is not representing dispensationalism and Chafer correctly in his posts. He equated literal interpretation with being literalistic, which is a shallow misrepresentation that doesn't characterize dispensationalists at all. He used the same false dilemma argument as Gerstner did about the Kingdom offer, but that argument has been shown to be another misrepresentation of what dispensationalists believe.


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Here, Classic Pauline Dispensationalism is used to describe the biblical emphasis as originally set forth by Darby and other original Brethren leaders, together with many dispensational Bible teachers in America such as Clarence Larkin, William R. Newell, Miles J. Stanford, and others. The Americans drew heavily upon the deeply-spiritual writings of the original Plymouth Brethren. We hold to the following indispensable tenets regarding the Church--the Body and Bride of Christ.
  1. First and foremost, "Classic Pauline Dispensationalism is based upon the division of LIFE, not simply that of economies. Once that total separation of the two seminal lives [First and Last Adam] is seen and maintained, the economies will never coalesce." The quintessence of the rightly divided Word is the doctrine of the two Adams!
  2. "The Church was neither prophesied nor revealed in OT Scriptures." The Church is a heavenly entity. The Church is not, according to covenant theory, the fulfillment of the promised blessings to Gentiles according to the Abrahamic Covenant. Further, the Church is not the recipient blessing formerly promised to the nation of Israel nor of any "spiritual blessings" from Israel's New Covenant. God made no covenant with the heavenly Church. The Bride of Christ is unique.
  3. "The Church was a complete mystery until revealed doctrinally by Paul." It is the Body and Bride of Christ and her uniqueness that is the central mystery, not the principle of grace or faith. There is one Church, whose advent was on the Day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts Chapter 2. It is doctrinal error to posit separate Jewish and Gentile churches in the book of Acts. The Church did not begin with the Apostle Paul, but rather his ministry was one of unfolding the truths associated with the one Church.
  4. "Paul, in the Church Epistles, was the minister of Church truth." "Those who do not center in the truths which the ascended Lord communicated directly to this Apostle will not know who and where they are in Christ, nor what their part is in the purpose of God. Neither will they know their heavenly privileges and responsibilities. Those who are ignorant of, and not centered in, the Pauline Gospel as set forth exclusively in Paul's Church epistles, are constantly astray in their interpretation of the Gospel, to say nothing of Church truth." MJS
  5. "The thirteen epistles of Paul (Romans to Philemon) form a distinct body of truth; and this realm of truth is about us, the Church, the Body and Bride of Christ, as no other Scriptures are. And Paul is the Father’s special messenger to us. As has been truly said, 'All of the Bible is for us, but it is not all about us.'” WRN
Should your Dispensationalism fall below or depart from these standards, it may be time to take a long and hard look at the difference. If your theological ancestors or contemporaries have spent their livelihoods arguing and debating among themselves, even attempting to draw others into the incessant fray, and not focused upon developing a deeper and more meaningful relationship with the Risen and Ascended Lord Jesus Christ, maybe it's time you considered Classic Pauline Dispensationalism. As Christian author Miles Stanford was apt to say, "Abide Above."
http://withchrist.org/pauldisp.htm
 
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