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Explanation of Deut. 22:28-29?

XfacTor

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JeffinGA - "So the woman gets her hand cut off for trying to help her husband out, but the man who is actually in the fight doesn't get any punishment? I'm still confused as to the logic or reasoning behind this law."

Remember that this was several thousand years ago. Just 200 years ago, the U.S. held a law that a man could club his wife so long as he used a wooden tool within proper measurements and proportions. I'm still confused as to the logic or reasoning behind that law.

The point is this...sometimes non-Christians or non-Jews point to the OT (Tanakh) and say something like "why should my wife get her hand cut off for helping me in a fight?!!!" The answer is, "she shouldn't." That was a civil law and doesn't apply today. Civil punishments for whatever may be considered crimes have changed through the year, and for the better. So the point is not to get hung up on OT civil laws, since they have either changed or don't apply. Focus on the moral laws.


Chokmah - "In Christianity, the Tanakh is secondary."

While some Christians (mostly dispensationalists) do consider the Tanakh secondary, most consider it absolutely equal. Without the OT, we wouldn't know that Christ is Christ. I always debate any Christian who says we don't need the OT or it's not as important. If that's the case, how do we know what the Messiah was supposed to look like without the prophesies?

I lead praise and worship at my church and begin each song with a Bible passage that connects with the song. I find that I read from the OT more often than the NT.

Some Christians would say the church (universal church - God's children) started at Antioch, but I would say it started with Abraham. Some will agree with me and some will disagree. But the fact of the matter is that, in Matthew 5:17, Christ said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL them." (emphasis mine) Jesus was very clear that He didn't come to do away with the OT. I see Christianity not as some new religion that started 2,000 years ago, but as a fulfillment of Judaism.

In Romans 9, Paul writes "6It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

God's children in the OT spent their lives looking forward to the promise that God would some day provide the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. Christians know that Christ was that perfect sacrifice and we look backward to the cross as the promise that God kept His Word and fulfilled the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. In other words, I am a child of the promise and regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Shalom.
 
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JEFFinGA said:
So sorry, I was reading the book of Deuteronomy and came across some verses that I didn't quite understand. I thought you guys could help give me some insight. Is it wrong to have questions about the OT? If so, I am very sorry that I broke the rules.

"Sounds like you're setting up for a firing-squad." What does that mean?

"Maybe if you are truley seeking the Lord you should start in the Book of John." Oh I didn't know you had to read certain parts of the Bible before others, thanks for setting me straight.


Well you dont have to read some before others but I was always taught that you should start reading the gospels before anything. The book of John shows Gods almighty love of us. Its an awesome book of gaining understanding on numerous issues. Especially the issue of Christ dying for our sins. :) Praise Jesus.
 
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Shalom XfacTor:

XfacTor said:
While some Christians (mostly dispensationalists) do consider the Tanakh secondary, most consider it absolutely equal. Without the OT, we wouldn't know that Christ is Christ. I always debate any Christian who says we don't need the OT or it's not as important. If that's the case, how do we know what the Messiah was supposed to look like without the prophesies?

I find that admirable (regarding the debate you bring up).

And I agree with you completely that you can't know who Messiah is/will be without the prophesies.

XfacTor said:
I lead praise and worship at my church and begin each song with a Bible passage that connects with the song. I find that I read from the OT more often than the NT.

Well... there are more songs to pick from in the Tanakh. :D

XfacTor said:
Some Christians would say the church (universal church - God's children) started at Antioch, but I would say it started with Abraham. Some will agree with me and some will disagree. But the fact of the matter is that, in Matthew 5:17, Christ said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL them." (emphasis mine) Jesus was very clear that He didn't come to do away with the OT. I see Christianity not as some new religion that started 2,000 years ago, but as a fulfillment of Judaism.

I agree that Jesus did not do away with Torah. I disagree about Christianity fulfilling Judaism though.

XfacTor said:
In Romans 9, Paul writes "6It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[b] 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

I'm sorry (and I'll tell you straight up why), but whenever I see Romans and/or any other epistle by Paul, my brain pretty much shuts down. He repulses me. Therefore, I take him with less than a grain of salt, and his writings mean even less. Just to let you know.

XfacTor said:
God's children in the OT spent their lives looking forward to the promise that God would some day provide the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin.

I wholeheartedly disagree. This is an idea that Christianity tries to feed back into the Tanakh; but is otherwise absent of. This idea has no support in the Tanakh at all.

XfacTor said:
Christians know that Christ was that perfect sacrifice and we look backward to the cross as the promise that God kept His Word and fulfilled the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. In other words, I am a child of the promise and regarded as Abraham's offspring.

I understand the viewpoint perfectly, because I was a Christian for +/- two decades. I simply disagree with it now.
 
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