Explaining the God particle

[dad]

Your like the guy who walks into the wall and tries to save face by claiming he meant to do it.

Funny, your wall I seemed to have stepped over without noticing it was there.

You really are incapable of following even the most basic conversation.

You said that the parts of science that talk of a same state past are false.

They are.

Yet, you have, on many occasions, stated that you don't know if it is false or not. See the link in my signature.

Well, no one knows the state of the past, but we are told about it, and how it was different.

So, you used to say that you didn't know. Now you are claiming that you do know.

No. We know many details of the different future and past, but not enough to say we know for certain precisely why and how each law and force was different. Enough is known to disallow you to follow back this present state to reconstruct the realities of the former one.

Rather than obsess and pretend you defeated the truth, admit ignorance and come to the light of God. The water is fine.

 

[Tiberius]

Funny, your wall I seemed to have stepped over without noticing it was there.

Just too numb to feel it.

They are.

Well, no one knows the state of the past, but we are told about it, and how it was different.

You are contradicting yourself.

You say you don't know what the were, then you say you do know.

It's like if I said I didn't know if Sally's child is a boy or a girl, but I know she doesn't have a daughter.

No. We know many details of the different future and past, but not enough to say we know for certain precisely why and how each law and force was different. Enough is known to disallow you to follow back this present state to reconstruct the realities of the former one.

But you are still claiming that they were different when you have clearly stated that you don't know if they were different or not.

Rather than obsess and pretend you defeated the truth, admit ignorance and come to the light of God. The water is fine.

You're joking, right?

You give me nonsensical claims, no evidence to support them, and you contradict yourself in the same post, and yet you say you have the truth.

You make me laugh.

 

[Tiberius]

I tried it, it works.

You tried the Bible? In what way? I once tried purple.

Fulfilled prophesy is a seal of the Almighty too.

Please give an example of prophesy and show me how we know it has been fulfilled.

 

[dad]

Just too numb to feel it.

Really? Well get back to us in the morning.

You are contradicting yourself.

Context.

You say you don't know what the were, then you say you do know.

We do not know all. We know plenty. At least some. Science know squat. Is that clearer?

But you are still claiming that they were different when you have clearly stated that you don't know if they were different or not.

Well in the context of a complete different set of laws and nature, I don't really know the details. But science knows nothing, not so much as even enough to question what state existed, let alone be able to prove one!

You're joking, right?

You give me nonsensical claims, no evidence to support them, and you contradict yourself in the same post, and yet you say you have the truth.

You make me laugh.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Men lived a certain time, did certain things.....we have a true record. You folks that claim it is false must do more than make stuff up.

 

[dad]

You tried the Bible? In what way? I once tried purple.



Please give an example of prophesy and show me how we know it has been fulfilled.

Easy....The days till Messiah came, and that He was to be killed as a criminnal were foretold centuries before...and that is with ANY date for the book!!!!

As far as trying the bible, I refer to praying to get saved. Born again. Like a baby, we start to learn and grow.

 

[Tiberius]

Really? Well get back to us in the morning.

I was talking about you.

Context.

More proof you can't follow a conversation, as I provided the context immediately.

We do not know all. We know plenty. At least some. Science know squat. Is that clearer?

No. So much of what you say is nonsense.

Well in the context of a complete different set of laws and nature, I don't really know the details. But science knows nothing, not so much as even enough to question what state existed, let alone be able to prove one!

Once again, nonsense. Are you saying that if the laws were different you couldn't tell if they were different?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Men lived a certain time, did certain things.....we have a true record. You folks that claim it is false must do more than make stuff up.

Yeah,. we look for evidence. You accept old stories.

 

[Tiberius]

Easy....The days till Messiah came, and that He was to be killed as a criminnal were foretold centuries before...and that is with ANY date for the book!!!!

And where do we see that these prophesies have been fulfilled? Is the Bible the source that tells us?

As far as trying the bible, I refer to praying to get saved. Born again. Like a baby, we start to learn and grow.

I was a Christian for twenty years. I believed, I prayed and I got squat.

 

[dad]

Once again, nonsense. Are you saying that if the laws were different you couldn't tell if they were different?

I could try. But I am not one to pull a so called science con, and act like I know it all. The bible clearly outlines a future and past with basic differences. Now whether some of these differences were additional forces at work we no longer experience on earth we can't know now exactly can we? Or if the space and time fabric had a different weave to them, or ...etc etc etc. The results..such as long lives, fast tree growth, no great heat produced in planetary water and land movements, an earth that accommodated spirits living right here among men, and etc etc...are recorded. Science can't go there, so do not pretend some grand explanation of details is available!

Yeah,. we look for evidence. You accept old stories.

You seek, we find. Come on over to the findin side!

 

[dad]

Easy....The days till Messiah came, and that He was to be killed as a criminnal were foretold centuries before...and that is with ANY date for the book!!!!
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And where do we see that these prophesies have been fulfilled? Is the Bible the source that tells us?

History also. There was a certain decree at a known time. There was Jesus at a known time. That time is known. That time was foretold in days no less!

I was a Christian for twenty years. I believed, I prayed and I got squat.

Maybe He takes a while to answer some folks.

 

[Tiberius]

You seek, we find. Come on over to the findin side!

Did religion find the cure for illnesses? Did religion find how to harness electrical power? How about flight? Wireless communication? The Internet? Ways to keep food fresh for longer?

It is science that has found things. Religion encourages people to stop looking.

 

[Tiberius]

History also. There was a certain decree at a known time. There was Jesus at a known time. That time is known. That time was foretold in days no less!

Please provide the non-Biblical source.

Maybe He takes a while to answer some folks.

Funnily enough, so does my toaster.

 

[Tiberius]

I guess dad has nothing to say. Certainly no non-Biblical sources for his claims...

 

[dad]

Did religion find the cure for illnesses? Did religion find how to harness electrical power? How about flight? Wireless communication? The Internet? Ways to keep food fresh for longer?

Did you?

It is science that has found things. Religion encourages people to stop looking.

You found pollution, womd, and better jails. Faith has found a cure for death, sickness, war, and sin.

 

[dad]

Please provide the non-Biblical source.

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ARTAXERXES I - JewishEncyclopedia.com

By the way, a desire to avoid using the prime source for antiquity does not diminish it's place as the foremost historical document on earth. One must deal with it.

 

[Gracchus]

You found pollution, womd, and better jails.

Science also discovered smallpox and polio vaccines, antibiotics, MRI and CAT scans, radio, television, et cetera, et cetera, ...

Faith has found a cure for death, sickness, war, and sin.

REALLY? Then how come everyone still dies, we still have hopitals, there are still tanks, guns, and ICBM's, and Creationist Christians still tell big, fat, ridiculous porkies.

 

[Tiberius]

Did you?

Nope. Not me. It was science. You see? Science actually produces stuff. That's why I support science. It actually produces results that can be seen by all.

You found pollution, womd, and better jails. Faith has found a cure for death, sickness, war, and sin.

Ah, once again, you concentrate on the small amount of bad and ignore the huge amount of good.

Can I do that as well?

Religion has caused the deaths of millions of people. Some Christians go around and kill doctors who perform abortions. There are Priests who abuse children. Anti-semitism has resulted in countless Jews being persecuted and killed. Religion discourages the use of condoms, which, in Africa, results in the spread of AIDS and overpopulation. Religion encourages people to be satisfied with not understanding how the universe works and encouraging ignorance.

But I'm sure you're going to disagree with all that, aren't you? But there it is, dad. if you;re going to ignore the good and concentrate on the bad and blow it way out of proportion, then I'll do the same.

 

[Tiberius]

ARTAXERXES I - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Such a shame that this source of yours which you present to support your claim doesn't mention Jesus at all!

By the way, a desire to avoid using the prime source for antiquity does not diminish it's place as the foremost historical document on earth. One must deal with it.

We should ignore any source if the claims that it makes are not verifiable in any way.

 

[dad]

Science also discovered smallpox and polio vaccines, antibiotics, MRI and CAT scans, radio, television, et cetera, et cetera, ...

Not any science depending on or related to your same state past fantasy!

Also it might be simpler to refer to science that deals in the real world of today by another name, so as not to confuse so called science with science! I think 'man's wisdom' is a very good term. Yes, indeed!

REALLY? Then how come everyone still dies, we still have hopitals, there are still tanks, guns, and ICBM's, and Creationist Christians still tell big, fat, ridiculous porkies.

As I said in another thread 'christians' is over used and really pretty meaningless. Jesus is not coming to save 'christians'! He is in the business of saving believers.

 

[dad]

Such a shame that this source of yours which you present to support your claim doesn't mention Jesus at all!

I thought you wanted a source that mentioned the king that made the decree! Now you suggest you want a source that mentions Jesus...covers many centuries BC, (when the king and decree to rebuild Jerusalem happened) and does not mention the bible!!!! Give the head a little shake, and get back to us if you can get real.

Seems to me that when we want to learn of history that affected Jerusalem, the sacred scriptures are THE place to look!...duh...

 

[Tiberius]

I thought you wanted a source that mentioned the king that made the decree! Now you suggest you want a source that mentions Jesus...covers many centuries BC, (when the king and decree to rebuild Jerusalem happened) and does not mention the bible!!!! Give the head a little shake, and get back to us if you can get real.

Seems to me that when we want to learn of history that affected Jerusalem, the sacred scriptures are THE place to look!...duh...

So you think that just because a source mentions one thing from your stories that the rest of the stories must also be true?

So does that mean that M*A*S*H is true because there really was a Korean War? Does that mean that Lieutenant Commander Data and the rest of the Enterprise Crew went back in time and met Mark Twain because Mark Twain was a real person?