Explaining the God particle

[dad]

And how do you know that?

Because energy as we know it can not be energy in the eternal state that is part of a universe state where spiritual realities also exist together with out physical realities. All your laws are for the physical universe.

No, that math would be good wherever you were, the results as well.

No. Mass and energy and momentum, and nuclear forces, and magnetism, and fields, and etc etc...that we know on earth do not apply to spirits. Our gravity attracts what sort of bodies? Physical..very good class. And so it goes.....

How much force would a spiritual or physical and spiritual merged body have? That needs to be known for math to work! Your math is for the physical only state. How much G would be involved in a merged object, and would the distance between merged objects represent an identical attraction force? Etc...


You have no idea. All you can do is play around in a sandbox of the present state and toy with numbers representing how physical only stuff now works!


Hope that helps you put science in it's place...and math.

 

[Elendur]

Because energy as we know it can not be energy in the eternal state that is part of a universe state where spiritual realities also exist together with out physical realities. All your laws are for the physical universe.

No. Mass and energy and momentum, and nuclear forces, and magnetism, and fields, and etc etc...that we know on earth do not apply to spirits. Our gravity attracts what sort of bodies? Physical..very good class. And so it goes.....


How much force would a spiritual or physical and spiritual merged body have? That needs to be known for math to work! Your math is for the physical only state. How much G would be involved in a merged object, and would the distance between merged objects represent an identical attraction force? Etc...


You have no idea. All you can do is play around in a sandbox of the present state and toy with numbers representing how physical only stuff now works!


Hope that helps you put science in it's place...and math.

You're confusing math with physics. Try again.

 

[dad]

You're confusing math with physics. Try again.

Not at all. Math is applied to physics and then assumed to apply to infinity and beyond. Unless time and space were the same and laws, it doesn't apply, and your math becomes silly numbers.

 

[Tiberius]

Oh. A humorous picture. Well, I guess that defeats me. How can I ever compete against a funny picture?

A wave or particle from far away, that entered our space would be in the form that we measure, in a bag, or elsewhere.

Explain how you reached this conclusion, describing the mathematics which prove that your claim is correct.

The issue is how far you can see. Being in a bag doesn't help you.

Billions of light years.

Give it up. Your only option is to admit defeat like a man.

You make me laugh.

 

[Tiberius]

Examine a spirit and some laws that exist where spirits live?

Of course, whenever you'd like.

Please provide a spirit for me to examine, and I'll get right on it.

 

[dad]

Of course, whenever you'd like.

Please provide a spirit for me to examine, and I'll get right on it.

How about the angel that visited Daniel? Or Mary? (same angel by the way). Since you seem to pretend to have power to examine them, time travel should be easy.

 

[dad]

Oh. A humorous picture. Well, I guess that defeats me. How can I ever compete against a funny picture?



Explain how you reached this conclusion, describing the mathematics which prove that your claim is correct.

Easy all waves or particles science has observed obey our rules. They have math too. Once anything is in the fishbowl one assumes it does what one does while in the bowl.

Billions of light years.

Saying it doesn't make it real. Tooth fairy, tooth fairy....see?

You make me laugh.

OK.

 

[Tiberius]

Easy all waves or particles science has observed obey our rules. They have math too. Once anything is in the fishbowl one assumes it does what one does while in the bowl.

Another explanation is that everything we see is dictated by the laws we experience here.

Until you give us some testable way to differentiate between the two, your hypothesis doesn't amount to much.

BTW, let's say you are correct. There's a galaxy a billion light years away that is controlled by laws that are completely different to what we have here. The light from this galaxy comes towards us, and passes through the glass of our fishbowl, which is why this distant galaxy looks to be exactly what we expect a galaxy to look like, with stars and nebulae and all that.

But here's the problem...

If this distant galaxy is so different, then why does it look exactly like what we expect a galaxy to look like? I mean, we can see G-type stars in distant galaxies that are the same as our own sun. So if this fishbowl is distorting what the distant galaxy is really like, why is it distorting it into something that looks like it has G-type stars? WHat are the chances that the fishbowl would distort some weird thing outside it into something that looks identical to something INside it?

Isn't that like looking at a car through a frosted glass window and noticing that it looks exactly like a pair of headphones?

Saying it doesn't make it real. Tooth fairy, tooth fairy....see?

Perhaps you should take note of this as well. You keep saying you are right, but as you just said... "Saying it doesn't make it real. Tooth fairy, tooth fairy....see?"

 

[Tiberius]

How about the angel that visited Daniel? Or Mary? (same angel by the way).

Certainly. Provide them and I'll get started on the examination.

Since you seem to pretend to have power to examine them, time travel should be easy.

Childish and a non sequitur.

 

[dad]

Another explanation is that everything we see is dictated by the laws we experience here.

But you don't know. So guess away.

Until you give us some testable way to differentiate between the two, your hypothesis doesn't amount to much.

Until you have some testable proof all the past was the same state, your so called science doesn't amount to much.

BTW, let's say you are correct. There's a galaxy a billion light years away that is controlled by laws that are completely different to what we have here. The light from this galaxy comes towards us, and passes through the glass of our fishbowl, which is why this distant galaxy looks to be exactly what we expect a galaxy to look like, with stars and nebulae and all that.

But here's the problem...

If this distant galaxy is so different, then why does it look exactly like what we expect a galaxy to look like? I mean, we can see G-type stars in distant galaxies that are the same as our own sun.

Except only as big as an apple, and made of spiritual also stuff? Call it G type of S type it doesn't matter when it is an unknown type.

So if this fishbowl is distorting what the distant galaxy is really like, why is it distorting it into something that looks like it has G-type stars? WHat are the chances that the fishbowl would distort some weird thing outside it into something that looks identical to something INside it?

"The presence of a certain chemical element in such an absorption spectrum primarily indicates that the temperature conditions are suitable for a certain excitation of this element."

Stellar classification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now if we look at that we see it will involve assuming earth state laws and time and space. So you can't just toss it out cause you think it has an important sounding ring to it...G class....

Isn't that like looking at a car through a frosted glass window and noticing that it looks exactly like a pair of headphones?

No.


All stars are F type stars. Far away. Too far for man's laws to be known to apply. Could a sun sized star fall to earth as the stars will do?

 

[Tiberius]

But you don't know. So guess away.

It has the benefit of parsimony.

Until you have some testable proof all the past was the same state, your so called science doesn't amount to much.

Speaking of testable proof, where's yours?

Except only as big as an apple, and made of spiritual also stuff? Call it G type of S type it doesn't matter when it is an unknown type.

As usual you miss my point.

"The presence of a certain chemical element in such an absorption spectrum primarily indicates that the temperature conditions are suitable for a certain excitation of this element."

Stellar classification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now if we look at that we see it will involve assuming earth state laws and time and space. So you can't just toss it out cause you think it has an important sounding ring to it...G class....

Argument from technobabble. Your argument doesn't come close to saying anything against what I said.

No.

Yes it is.

All stars are F type stars. Far away. Too far for man's laws to be known to apply. Could a sun sized star fall to earth as the stars will do?

We can add stars to the ever-increasing list of things you do not know about.

 

[dad]

It has the benefit of parsimony.

Translation: it is simpler to believe that the laws we now see just golly gee always existed.

Speaking of testable proof, where's yours?

Your fail is testable. The same state past is tested and shown false by the failure to be able to prove it.

As usual you miss my point.

Size matters kid.

Argument from technobabble. Your argument doesn't come close to saying anything against what I said.

No. Temperature is inferred from the premise of earth state space and laws.

We can add stars to the ever-increasing list of things you do not know about.

The I join science in that. Yet they claim stuff. There are clues in the bible about the nature of stars. Yet you are not ready yet Oby wan Kanoby.

 

[Elendur]

Not at all. Math is applied to physics and then assumed to apply to infinity and beyond. Unless time and space were the same and laws, it doesn't apply, and your math becomes silly numbers.

Physics is applied mathematics and the numbers won't become silly, no matter what you use them for. It's you, or your use, of the numbers that will be silly (if silly at all).

 

[Tiberius]

Translation: it is simpler to believe that the laws we now see just golly gee always existed.

You want me to believe otherwise? Show me the evidence.

Your fail is testable. The same state past is tested and shown false by the failure to be able to prove it.

That makes no sense.

The magical moon fairies are proved to be true by your failure to prove them false.

Size matters kid.

That wasn't my point.

No. Temperature is inferred from the premise of earth state space and laws.

That doesn't have any bearing on what I was saying.

The I join science in that. Yet they claim stuff. There are clues in the bible about the nature of stars. Yet you are not ready yet Oby wan Kanoby.

We can also add Star Wars character to the list of things that you know nothing about. Shame, because all that magical "force" stuff they use is something that you could use to support your claims that the laws were different a long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

 

[florida2]

How can the laws of physics be different elsewhere?

Where are the boundaries between different areas of different laws? Is there a sudden change as you travel from one to the next or more of a gradual change?

 

[Elendur]

How can the laws of physics be different elsewhere?

Where are the boundaries between different areas of different laws? Is there a sudden change as you travel from one to the next or more of a gradual change?

The boundaries are arbitrarily defined by him, he's changed them a couple of times.

 

[dad]

Physics is applied mathematics and the numbers won't become silly, no matter what you use them for. It's you, or your use, of the numbers that will be silly (if silly at all).

Speculation. You merely assume you can go ahead and apply fishbowl geometry and laws on a different state with different laws. Not an argument based on knowledge or fact.

 

[dad]

How can the laws of physics be different elsewhere?

Where are the boundaries between different areas of different laws? Is there a sudden change as you travel from one to the next or more of a gradual change?

Rather than thinking linear it might be best to think time. From what I deduce it is likely a change in laws happened somewhere around 4400 years ago.

As for deep space, since we can't go there, we don't know. Science does admit to being able to see almost nothing of what is out there! And that doesn't include time or space.

 

[dad]

The boundaries are arbitrarily defined by him, he's changed them a couple of times.

Example?

 

[Elendur]

Speculation. You merely assume you can go ahead and apply fishbowl geometry and laws on a different state with different laws. Not an argument based on knowledge or fact.

Did I now and is it now? Read what I wrote again.