would someone be so kind as to explain to me the trinity using only biblical terminology? Oh gee, trinity isn't a biblical word. This is going to be hard.
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jessedance said:would someone be so kind as to explain to me the trinity using only biblical terminology? Oh gee, trinity isn't a biblical word. This is going to be hard.
Talyn said:Trinity = Schizophrenic being
Or so I was told
I do not reject the term Trinity as we have discussed, but I must quibble with those who use the Theophilus. First, the word Theophilus used was Trius (or that is how it appears in the writings I have looked into). But far more important than this is that Theophilus identified himself in his writings as not accepting the divinity of Christ and is thus an Arian.Der Alter said:Yeah, I've heard of that bunch. "I was told," "I have heard," "They say" and good ol' "Everybody knows" Instead of real scholarship and evidence one of these guys gets quoted all the time.
If you have any real evidence or research, instead of gossip, I'd be glad to discuss it with you.
Malaka,
Also Theophilus referred to 1 John 5:7 about 180 AD and Tertullian quoted it about 200 AD.
What exactly do you consider "biblical terminology"? Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew? Maybe a little Reformed Egyptian also thrown in, to appease the Mormons?jessedance said:would someone be so kind as to explain to me the trinity using only biblical terminology? Oh gee, trinity isn't a biblical word. This is going to be hard.
jessedance said:Tom;
The problem is that trinitarian interpolations began to enter into the bible at an early date. So one can find support for 1 john 5:7 either way probably. Even math. 28:19 with the triatic fromula was probably extant in some places at the time of Eusebiusis writings, However, Eusebius did not have any manuscripts available to him with the triatic formula till he went to the council of nicea. And he had access to a great library that has since been long gone. He had access to bibles that predate anything we have to date. And he didnt quote math. 28:19 with the triatic formula, until after the council of nicea. There is much evedince against the triatic formula on patristic writings, internal evidence, and the fact that the sentence in math. 28:19 makes no logical sense. it doesnt make sense for jesus to say,"all power is given unto me" and then say, "go therefore and baptise in the name of the father, son , holy ghost," it makes much more sense the way eusebius quoted it. "all power is given unto me", " go therefore and teach all nations in my name". Get my drift?
Hebrews 1:4
4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
FB: This verse signfies that the Son was "MADE" better than the angels and obtained an more excellent name. Meaning it was not always so
Hi there!jessedance said:So far no one has explained the trinity using only biblical words.
Hi there!jessedance said:would someone be so kind as to explain to me the trinity using only biblical terminology? Oh gee, trinity isn't a biblical word. This is going to be hard.
jessedance said:Fb, and Malaka: fb You said, "Well I am struggling here. Are you saying that Christ had power unto himself? " No Jesus said God gave him all his power.Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. " and John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. " and
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. " Jesus couldn't heal a pimple, the father (God the father, the only God there is, Corinthians I 8:6" But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things.....") who was in Jesus did all the miracles.
malaka, give you a list of biblical words? I don't follow you. My point is that you can't explain trinity without using lots of non-biblical words. I can't explain trinity without resorting to phraseology outside the bible. And no I do not want to hear insults, I try and avoid insulting people , certainly I don't insult anyone on a regular basis and not intentionaly ever., and i would say not overtly if i do.
incidently, I use to know a greek person from greece and he taught me some dirty greek words, before I became a christian, malaka is a dirty word in modern greek, I dont know if its spelled as you spell it but it is pronounced that way.
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