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Explain this: ISS orbits around 17,000mph, how do they do space walks?

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Yeah.

 
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Poe's law is an Internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extreme views will be mistaken by some readers for sincere expressions of the parodied views.[1][2][3]
If morse86 is a Poe rather than asking seriously, he is really good at being convincing, and is much more persistent about it than most.
 
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Step 1: Get a little cart with wheels, and a spring-loaded "cannon".
Step 2: Put a marble or similar object in the cannon.
Step 3: Make sure you have a level surface (table, desk, etc).
Step 4: Make sure cannon is perpendicular to the surface.
Step 5: Push the cart.
Step 6: Make the cannon fire while the cart is in motion (without disturbing the cart's forward movement).

Results: The marble fires straight upward, and goes straight back down into the cannon while the cart is moving. This is because when the cannon fired, the marble "inherited" the forward momentum and velocity equal to the cart's when it fired.

Extra credit: Stop the cart just after firing the cannon. Note how the marble will continue to fly forward and bounce off the desk and keep rolling.

When the ISS is going 17,000 MPH and a spaceman exits the ISS, he too is going 17,000 MPH in the same direction the ISS was.

EDIT: You can also do this experiment with a pickup truck. Sit in the bed of a pickup truck and ask someone to drive forward 20 or so MPH on a relatively flat and level road and throw a tennis ball straight up into the air. Note how the tennis ball will come right back down to you.
 
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Ok, so what happens when a passenger steps out of a moving car? Isn't that what the astronaut is doing when they step out of the ISS? I don't care if it's a vacuum or not.

When a car is going 55MPH and a passenger steps out of the car, the passenger will have 55MPH worth of forward velocity, they will continue to move at 55MPH until something slows them down (like hitting the pavement). Watch any movie where someone jumps out of a car and you will see them rolling on the ground several times.

You can also watch unedited police car chase videos until you find one where someone jumps out of a moving vehicle. In fact, I saw one of these recently I'll see if I can dig it up.

Also, the same thing happens with bombs. Why do you think WW2 planes that dropped bombs did so in a dive? It is nearly impossible to aim a bomb without diving, because when you let go of the bomb, the bomb will fly forward at the same forward velocity the airplane had when the bomb was released. When you dive before dropping the bomb, you remove most of the forward velocity and greatly increase your accuracy with the bomb.

EDIT: Some of the huge bomber planes didn't dive, but they also weren't used for precision bombing. Fighter-bombers did that, and they used dives for such things. When you just want to carpet bomb an area, you don't care as much about your accuracy.
 
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So are you telling me the astronaut NEVER changes direction opposite of the direction the ISS is traveling when doing the space walk? Say they have to repair the otherside of the ISS....how do they go to that side without being yanked?

When the astronaut exits the space station, they have to move around.....thats means the forward velocity of the astronaut and the space station are different.
 
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OK, but when the astronaut exits the space station and tries to move AGAINST the space station direction, they will be yanked violently?!?!?

When doing repairs, they have to move forward/backward against the direction of the space station...explain that!
 
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Step 1: Exit the ISS. It was going 17,000MPH in Direction "X", this means you are going at 17,000MPH in Direction "X".
Step 2: You want to go behind the ISS. What do you do? You turn towards the back of the ISS and apply some forward velocity. Let's say for example, this direction is the exact opposite.
Step 3: You are now going 16,995MPH in direction "X" because you applied 5MPH velocity in direction "Y" (which is the opposite of X).

Because the ISS is going 17,000MPH in Direction X and you're going 16,995MPH in Direction X... you will appear to travel 5MPH away from the ISS.

You can do this IRL: Get in your car, and ask a partner to follow you. Find a passing lane somewhere (hopefully no traffic around), and drive alongside each other at exactly 55MPH.

Ask your partner to maintain 55MPH at all times. Then, ease off the gas so that you're going 50MPH. What happens? You will slowly inch behind your partner. Give your car more gas so that you go 60MPH... the partner will slowly inch behind you.

Same thing.
 
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www.nasa.gov

There's a whole lot of very interesting information on the ISS...you might also want to look into a basic physics class.

He believes everything NASA says is a lie, so linking him to nasa.gov won't do anything, that's why I was explaining it in layman's terms, using experiments ordinary people can do on the ground.
 
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Ok, so what happens when a passenger steps out of a moving car? Isn't that what the astronaut is doing when they step out of the ISS? I don't care if it's a vacuum or not.
No, and it really doesn't matter what you care about or not.
 
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Ok...when you're in a car moving 55MPH, you are also moving at 55mph so your relative velocity to the car is zero. When an astronaut goes out of the ISS, that is moving at 17,500 mph (17,000 mph is too slow to maintain orbital velocity), the astronaut is also moving at 17,500 mph, so his relative velocity with respect to the ISS is zero. When they move around the station, their relative velocity is not enough to cause them to fall behind the station, as they are still traveling at the same velocity as the ISS.

Vacuum negates friction at the altitude of the ISS.

Regarding the temperature shift from dark to light in orbit, when astronauts are outside the ISS...their suits are insulated and engineered to withstand the temperature extremes. In essence, their suits are like mini-spaceships providing life support and protection.

When an Apollo astronaut fell on the moon, first off, while his mass had not changed, his relative weight was 1/6 that of earth, slowing the force of gravity from an earth normal 32fps^2 to something considerably slower (I'd look it up but I'm being lazy). At 1/6g call it maybe a hair over 5fps^2. So, the astronaut did not fall with the same force he would have fallen on earth. Also, the Apollo era EVA suits were also constructed to withstand surface punctures if necessary. There was kevlar in the material which, again, if I remember correctly, was something like 10-20 separate layers of material in total...part of what made the suit so stiff.

I would encourage the OP to take a basic physics class at his local community college...most I believe can be audited for free or a small fee...it's very interesting.
 
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Regarding solar flares, the geomagnetosphere offers some protection againat these. They mainly become a headache with the possibility of a manned flight to other planets in the solar system.
 
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What about the whole earth?
I mean, its orbiting the sun at some astronomical speed (literally) so how come I dont go flying off into space when I get air on my mountain bike???

(question applies whether Im riding east OR west!)
 
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What about the whole earth?
I mean, its orbiting the sun at some astronomical speed (literally) so how come I dont go flying off into space when I get air on my mountain bike???

(question applies whether Im riding east OR west!)

Gravity??? Centrifugal force?
 
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