Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

Theo102 said:

That doesn't affect the point that the first of the week means the first day of the week, i.e late Friday afternoon (preparation day) to dawn on Sunday (first day of the week) is only about one and half days.

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It was against the law of God for anyone to work on that Sunday, or to come in contact with a dead body. In order for Christ to be the "FIRSTFRUIT" from the grave, his resurrection had to be on the evening of Monday.

By the way, the first of the week is between Sunday and Tuesday.

CherubRam said:

It was against the law of God for anyone to work on that Sunday, or to come in contact with a dead body. In order for Christ to be the "FIRSTFRUIT" from the grave, his resurrection had to be on the evening of Monday.

By the way, the first of the week is between Sunday and Tuesday.

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You're basing your chronology on Pharisaic doctrine, and your conclusion is inconsistent with Luke 24:21, which counts the day of preparation as the first day, the sabbath as the second day (which coincided with the high sabbath of the passover), and the first day of the week as the third day.

Luke 24
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

Theo102 said:

You're basing your chronology on Pharisaic doctrine, and your conclusion is inconsistent with Luke 24:21, which counts the day of preparation as the first day, the sabbath as the second day (which coincided with the high sabbath of the passover), and the first day of the week as the third day.

Luke 24
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

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Friday evening to Saturday evening is one day. Christ said he would be in the grave 72 hours.

CherubRam said:

Friday evening to Saturday evening is one day. Christ said he would be in the grave 72 hours.

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According to Luke 24:21 it couldn't have been 72 hours because that would have made it the fourth day.

The 72 hours is from the three days and nights of one account of the sign of Jonah. The other two accounts don't mention three days and nights. Also Like 24:46 isn't consistent with Hosea 6:2

"Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:"

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"After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

Theo102 said:

According to Luke 24:21 it couldn't have been 72 hours because that would have made it the fourth day.

The 72 hours is from the three days and nights of one account of the sign of Jonah. The other two accounts don't mention three days and nights. Also Like 24:46 isn't consistent with Hosea 6:2

"Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:"

vs

"After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

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Three full days

Christ was hung on Friday the 13th, which was Preparation Day before the Sabbath began. The Sabbath and Passover began Friday evening at sundown. Christ was buried at about sundown on Friday. Unleavened Bread would last from Saturday evening to Sunday evening. First Fruits was offered on Monday. The women went to the tomb Tuesday morning after the First Fruits Offering.


The 14th began on Friday at sundown. Friday evening to Saturday evening is one full day. Saturday evening to Sunday evening is two full days. Sunday evening to Monday evening is three full days. A full day is 24 hours long.

Luke 23:54
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


A full LITERAL DAY is 24 hours.


Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and it is the resurrection of the sheep and goats.


Matthew 24
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matthew 25:32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Revelation 20
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

According to Luke 24:21

The third day had not ended, and the next day on Tuesday the women went to the tomb.

CherubRam said:

First Fruits was offered on Monday.

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No, First fruits is associated with the Feast of Weeks (Shauvot),which is seven weeks after Passover.

Shavuot 101 | My Jewish Learning

CherubRam said:

According to Luke 24:21

The third day had not ended, and the next day on Tuesday the women went to the tomb.

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No, Friday was the first day (the Hebrews used inclusive counting), Saturday was the sabbath and high sabbath of the passover, Sunday morning around dawn the tomb was found empty.

Luke 24
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

CherubRam,
re: "Christ was hung on Friday the 13th..."

So you're saying that the Passover animals were killed on the 13th?

Theo102 said:

No, Friday was the first day (the Hebrews used inclusive counting), Saturday was the sabbath and high sabbath of the passover, Sunday morning around dawn the tomb was found empty.

Luke 24
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

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In regards to the Jewish calendar, a new day begins when the sun sets, not when it rises. Friday evening at sunset was the beginning of Passover the 14th.

Three holidays are associated with the giving of firstfruits in the Old Testament. Firstfruits are mentioned in connection with the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in Numbers 28:26; Tabernacles (Sukkot) in Exodus 23:16; and Passover in Leviticus 23:10. Since Passover (Pesach) was the first of the three holidays, the “first firstfruits” were offered in connection with that holiday. The Passover lambs were sacrificed on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan, and the Feast of First Fruits fell on the sixteenth of Nisan.

rstrats said:

CherubRam,
re: "Christ was hung on Friday the 13th..."

So you're saying that the Passover animals were killed on the 13th?

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In regards to the Jewish calendar, a new day begins when the sun sets, not when it rises. Friday evening at sunset was the beginning of Passover the 14th.

CherubRam said:

In regards to the Jewish calendar, a new day begins when the sun sets, not when it rises. Friday evening at sunset was the beginning of Passover the 14th.

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Yes, of course. That's consistent with my timeline.

CherubRam said:

Three holidays are associated with the giving of firstfruits in the Old Testament. Firstfruits are mentioned in connection with the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot) in Numbers 28:26; Tabernacles (Sukkot) in Exodus 23:16; and Passover in Leviticus 23:10. Since Passover (Pesach) was the first of the three holidays, the “first firstfruits” were offered in connection with that holiday. The Passover lambs were sacrificed on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan, and the Feast of First Fruits fell on the sixteenth of Nisan.

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No, the context of Leviticus 23:10 describes firstfruits timed with Shauvot, not Passover. Also Exodus describes the feast of firstfruits as being separate to the feast of unleavened bread which follows Passover, so there's no way to get firstfruits on the sixteenth of Nisan.

Theo102 said:

Yes, of course. That's consistent with my timeline.



No, the context of Leviticus 23:10 describes firstfruits timed with Shauvot, not Passover. Also Exodus describes the feast of firstfruits as being separate to the feast of unleavened bread which follows Passover, so there's no way to get firstfruits on the sixteenth of Nisan.

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All of the Jewish websites say that there is a Firstfruits offering during and after those Sabbaths plural. Lambs on the 14th, Unleavened Bread on the 15th, and anything in addition on the 16th. And the women found the tomb empty the 17th, Tuesday mornnning.

For the women to attend Christ grave upon the Holy Days, it would have made them ritually impure to take part. Not only that, it is against the law to do any work on the 14th and 15th; like taking care of his body on Saturday and Sunday.

CherubRam,

So you're saying the Messiah was crucified on the 13th but the Passover animals were killed on the 14th?

rstrats said:

CherubRam,

So you're saying the Messiah was crucified on the 13th but the Passover animals were killed on the 14th?

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Correct. Preparation Day was Friday the 13th, and Passover began Friday at sundown. Christ was buried Friday at sundown. So, from Friday evening to Monday evening is three full 24hr days. That is why the women did not see the body of Christ Tuesday morning. Christ resurrection was on the eve of Firstfruits.

Yahshua the Messiah was the Firstfruits of the Resurrection Monday Evening.

1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Offering the Firstfruits

9 The Lord said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

That Sunday the 15th is a Sabbath rest day also. Firstfruits is on Monday.

Unleavened Bread Firstfruits Sheaf Wave
Leviticus 23:6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’”

Offering the Firstfruits
9 The Lord said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

The day of Unleavened Bread is Sunday the 15th according to the biblical calendar, it is also a Sabbath Day of Rest, and no work was to be done on that day, such as attending a grave. Note that it says the day after that Sabbath.

CherubRam said:

Correct. Preparation Day was Friday the 13th, and Passover began Friday at sundown. Christ was buried Friday at sundown. So, from Friday evening to Monday evening is three full 24hr days. That is why the women did not see the body of Christ Tuesday morning. Christ resurrection was on the eve of Firstfruits.

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This is incorrect, Luke describes how the women found the empty tomb on the third day. The first day was the day before the sabbath (Friday), so the empty down was discovered on Sunday, not Tuesday.

Luke 24
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

CherubRam said:

All of the Jewish websites say that there is a Firstfruits offering during and after those Sabbaths plural. Lambs on the 14th, Unleavened Bread on the 15th, and anything in addition on the 16th. And the women found the tomb empty the 17th, Tuesday mornnning.

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Rabbinical Judiasm is derived from Pharasaism.

Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Matthew 16:12

Leviticus 23 describes the timeline for the firstfruits. There's a sheaf of the firstfruits on the day following the weekly sabbath, this is the wave offering. However the firstfruits itself occurs after the counting of the omer, which is around 7 weeks after the wave offering.

Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto YHWH.
Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto YHWH.
Leviticus 23:16-17

Theo102 said:

This is incorrect, Luke describes how the women found the empty tomb on the third day. The first day was the day before the sabbath (Friday), so the empty down was discovered on Sunday, not Tuesday.

Luke 24
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

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It is not very likely they went to attend his body on the day of Firstfruits, before the third day ended. Three full days and nights is 72hrs.
There were two calendars in use those days, the biblical calendar and the lunar calendar. Which one do you think Christ and the disciples used?