Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

cvanwey said:

I myself, whom doubts that a resurrection occurred in the first place for various reasons, also finds this specific argument futile. I too feel it really boils down to whether or not He actually did resurrect or not. Squabbling over such minutiae might be a waste of time, for all intensive purposes.

Click to expand...

"Intents and purposes."

But I do agree that squabbling over the minutiae is a waste of time when the real subject is the occurrence of the resurrection itself.

Is it not a miracle if he was only dead for two and a half days instead of three full days before coming back to life?

RDKirk,
re: "Is it not a miracle if he was only dead for two and a half days instead of three full days before coming back to life?"

No, as long as the two and a half calendar days include at least a portion of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of 3 night times.

The sign of Jonah is mentioned three times in the Bible: twice in the gospel of Matthew and once in the gospel of Luke. The accounts in Matthew 12 and Luke 11 disagree regarding the meaning of the sign.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40

http://torah.clonehost.net/pages/jonah.html

Hawkins,
re: " I believe that a Thursday crucifixion is possible...The 3 nights are Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night. The 3 days are Friday morning, Saturday morning and Sunday morning."


Thursday night had been over some 9 hours by the time of the Messiah's death. Also, you omitted the night time of the 1st day of the week.

rstrats said:

Thursday night had been over some 9 hours by the time of the Messiah's death. Also, you omitted the night time of the 1st day of the week.

Click to expand...

According to Luke the body of the crucified man was placed in the sepulchre around the time of the onset of the sabbath.

And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luke 23:54

The prophecy of the resurrection isn't about the Messiah:

After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hosea 6:2

http://torah.clonehost.net/pages/switched.html

Theo102,

Any particular reason for quoting my post to Hawkins and then talk about something else?

rstrats said:

Theo102,

Any particular reason for quoting my post to Hawkins and then talk about something else?

Click to expand...

The prophetic reference to being raised up on the third day and the problem with the timeline means that alternative interpretations should be explored.

RDKirk said:

Is it not a miracle if he was only dead for two and a half days instead of three full days before coming back to life?

Click to expand...

Taking it out of the context of the and and the prophecies avoids the issue larger issue of the disconnect between the repudiation of sacrifice (Matthew 12:7, Matthew 9:13) and the shedding of innocent blood.

Theo102,
re: The prophetic reference to being raised up on the third day and the problem with the timeline means that alternative interpretations should be explored."

That's fine. But I still don't see why it was necessary to quote my remarks to Hawkins in order to say that "alternative interpretations should be explored". Your issue should be directed to the OP.

Godistruth1 said:

Here it refers to the tomb

Click to expand...

It refers to the heart of the earth not the tomb.


JLB

JLB777,
re: "It refers to the heart of the earth not the tomb."


Any thoughts on what the Messiah meant by "the heart of the earth"?

rstrats said:

JLB777,
re: "It refers to the heart of the earth not the tomb."


Any thoughts on what the Messiah meant by "the heart of the earth"?

Click to expand...

Down into the heart of the earth.

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Ephesians 4:9



JLB

rstrats said:

That's fine. But I still don't see why it was necessary to quote my remarks to Hawkins in order to say that "alternative interpretations should be explored". Your issue should be directed to the OP.

Click to expand...

Necessity and justification are different things. Your position that it was the Messiah who was crucified shouldn't be assumed to be true simply because it is standard Christian doctrine.

Godistruth1 said:

But he was not buried before Friday evening. Its specifically speaking of being inside the earth which in this content would mean the tomb he was in

Click to expand...

Scriptures state that Christ died and was buried Friday evening, just before the Seventh Day Sabbath began. Christ resurrection came after Monday evening, the day of First Fruits. Sunday Sabbath has nothing to do with Christ, it's a Pagan thingy start by the Catholics.

JLB777 said:

Down into the heart of the earth.

(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Ephesians 4:9



JLB

Click to expand...

According to some bibles, people get to Hell by the Father sending them there. If you are a Trin, do you believe that God sent God to Hell, where God rescued God after three days?

CherubRam said:

Christ resurrection came after Monday evening, the day of First Fruits. Sunday Sabbath has nothing to do with Christ, it's a Pagan thingy start by the Catholics.

Click to expand...

No, the tomb was empty Sunday morning. The prophetic references to the resurrection don't support the Christian account, either.

"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre..." Luke 24:1

http://torah.clonehost.net/pages/jonah.html

Theo102 said:

No, the tomb was empty Sunday morning. The prophetic references to the resurrection don't support the Christian account, either.

"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre..." Luke 24:1

http://torah.clonehost.net/pages/jonah.html

Click to expand...

The word "day" is not in that text. That scriptures actually says: "Now upon the first of the week..." The bible says that Christ was buried on preparation day before the seventh day sabbath began.

Yahshua the Messiah was the Firstfruits of the Resurrection Monday Evening.



1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.



John 6:35
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.



Exodus 23

The Three Annual Festivals

14 “Three times a year you are to celebrate a festival to me.

15 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread; for seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

16 “Celebrate the Festival of Harvest with the firstfruits of the crops you sow in your field.



Three full days

Christ was hung on Friday the 13th, which was Preparation Day before the Sabbath began. The Sabbath and Passover began Friday evening at sundown. Christ was buried at about sundown on Friday. Unleavened Bread would last from Saturday evening to Sunday evening. First Fruits was offered on Monday. The women went to the tomb Tuesday morning after the First Fruits Offering.



Unleavened Bread Firstfruits Sheaf Wave

Leviticus 23:6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’”

Offering the Firstfruits

9 The Lord said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

The day of Unleavened Bread is Sunday the 15th according to the biblical calendar, it is also a Sabbath Day of Rest, and no work was to be done on that day, such as attending a grave. Note that it says the day after that Sabbath.

Christ Is Firstfruits Of The Resurrection

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a feast that is often mistaken for Passover. Passover is one 24 hour period, while the Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts for seven days. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is also a rest day where no work is to be done. That would also exclude attending a grave site to prep a body on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Passover was always on the Seventh Day of Rest, Preparation Day was always the day before, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was always the day after the Sabbath Day of Rest and the Passover. A biblical definition of firstfruits would include the first of most anything that come from the ground or animals. The people would go home on Monday and gather their offerings and bring it back to the temple.


Luke 23:56.

Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.


The biblical calendar is a 364 day a year calendar, which places the holidays on the same day of the week every year. When Christ was hung on the stake, both calendars were in use; the Biblical Calendar, and the Civil Hebrew Calendar. Which calendar do you think Christ and the disciples used; the Biblical Calendar, or the Civil Hebrew Calendar?




All three of these holidays involved firstfruit offerings at the Temple.

• Passover was in the early spring, and it included firstfruits from the first harvest of barley.
• Shavuot was in the late spring, and it included firstfruits from the wheat harvest. Among the many different offerings given, was a "wave offering" of two loaves of leavened bread. This was also a firstfruits offering.

Sukkot was in the fall, and it was the final harvest which included firstfruits of olives and grapes.


The feast day of Un-Leavened Bread was always on a Sunday when using the Biblical Calendar. That particular Sunday was also a REST DAY where no work was to be done. The women would not have attended his body that day because it was against the law.


Luke 23:56
Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread


Exodus 12:16
On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.


1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.


The Firstfruits offering was on Monday after Unleavened Bread.



Passover Sabbath

Mark 16:1

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of Jacob, and Salome, they (had / AIT) bought spices so that they might go to anoint Yahshua's body.


Luke 23:56

Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandments.


Luke 24:1

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

The word "day" is not in the original text.

John 19:31

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.



John 19:42

Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.


First fruits was observed the third day after Passover and the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The resurrection was the first part of the week, not the first day.

CherubRam said:

The word "day" is not in that text. That scriptures actually says: "Now upon the first of the week..." The bible says that Christ was buried on preparation day before the seventh day sabbath began.

Click to expand...

That doesn't affect the point that the first of the week means the first day of the week, i.e late Friday afternoon (preparation day) to dawn on Sunday (first day of the week) is only about one and half days.