Expelled - the movie - in theaters spring 2008

[FallingWaters]

Expelled - the movie -

in theaters spring 2008

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

Expelled and Narnia are the 2 movies this year that I plan to see in theaters. Also, for those that didn't know, Ken Ham and Ben Stein recently met and discussed the documentary together.

 

[Mallon]

Also, for those that didn't know, Ken Ham and Ben Stein recently met and discussed the documentary together.

Out of curiosity, do you think this was a tactful move on Stein's part?

 

[ClearSky]

Out of curiosity, do you think this was a tactful move on Stein's part?

In which way should meeting Ken Ham be not tactful?

I don't know if I'll watch that movie though - it seems not to be about evolution/creation arguments but more about university politics. Somewhat boring for a commercial movie. Narnia sounds more entertaining

 

[Mallon]

In which way should meeting Ken Ham be not tactful?

Well, the whole point of the film (and of the ID movement as a whole) was to divorce the 'science' of God from the religion. ID proponents want to be taken seriously by other scientists and to be seen as doing valid scientific work.
Yet here you Ben Stein canoodling with what is obviously a religious organization, and the Expelled film being previewed exclusively to like-minded, church-going audiences across America.
I just think the people involved in making the film have shot themselves in the foot. And the movie's not even out yet.

 

[Smidlee]

Well, the whole point of the film (and of the ID movement as a whole) was to divorce the 'science' of God from the religion...

I thought I heard Ben stated the purpose of "Expelled"was more about academic freedom than promoting ID. Thus being "expelled" for having a different view. No doubt Ben himself will talk about God in the movie.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

Well, the whole point of the film (and of the ID movement as a whole) was to divorce the 'science' of God from the religion. ID proponents want to be taken seriously by other scientists and to be seen as doing valid scientific work.
Yet here you Ben Stein canoodling with what is obviously a religious organization, and the Expelled film being previewed exclusively to like-minded, church-going audiences across America.
I just think the people involved in making the film have shot themselves in the foot. And the movie's not even out yet.

I don't see anything untactful with him meeting and talking to Ken Ham for 15mins. For the documentary Ben met with all sorts of evolutionists and creationists. Why would he not afterwords meet with the president of the largest creationist organization which staffs several PhD scientists? Not only that but they have the most well known creationist museum which even evolutionists admit is professionally done. To some Ben shot himself in the foot the second he questioned evolution publicly. Of course that is the whole point of the documentary, isn't it.

 

[Mallon]

From http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/10/intelligent_design_is_not_crea.html:

Last night Ben Stein showed up on The O'Reilly Factor to talk about his forthcoming documentary, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, and the fact that scientists are being persecuted for simply questioning Darwinism in some case, or for researching and advancing the theory of intelligent design in others. Interestingly, I would bet that none of the scientists who will appear in Expelled (and by all accounts there will be a LOT of them) are creationists. Unfortunately, Bill O'Reilly simply conflates intelligent design with creationism, mistakenly defining it as an attempt to find a divine designer. Not so. (see here, here and here to start) Compare O'Reilly's misunderstanding with this letter from a guy who clearly gets it.
It was unfortunate too that Ben referred to the "gaps" in Darwin's theory, as if those are the only issues that intelligent design theory addresses. To be sure there are shortcomings with Darwinism, the scientific literature of late is full of them. However, intelligent design also provides a robust positive case, and a serious scientific research approach. This is the news that O’Reilly’s viewers need to hear about.

'Nuff said.

 

[vossler]

Expelled - the movie -
in theaters spring 2008

It's rare for me to get excited about anything coming to the movies. This however excites me. Thanks for the update!

 

[busterdog]

Out of curiosity, do you think this was a tactful move on Stein's part?

He could have dinner with Hannibal Lecter and then worship the frozen corpse of Walt Disney and he would never have less respect in academia than he has now because of his association with anti-evolution teaching.

Tact doesn't matter. Evolution is what matters. That is the litmus test. That is why he is dressed as the geeky twin to Angus Young. Thus, the theme song, George Thoroughgood's Bad To The Bone. He seems to have every intention of being "in the face" of evolutionists. God Bless him.

 

[Mallon]

He could have dinner with Hannibal Lecter and then worship the frozen corpse of Walt Disney and he would never have less respect in academia than he has now because of his association with anti-evolution teaching.

What about with the general public, though? That's who this movie is aimed at (though you wouldn't know it from where it's been previewed).

 

[busterdog]

What about with the general public, though? That's who this movie is aimed at (though you wouldn't know it from where it's been previewed).

Most people don't know who Ken Ham is. Creationism has a bad reputation generally. I doubt the names associated with the movie change anything. Orthodox worldviews are going to attack it as such, whether Ken Ham endorses it or not.

 

[Gwenyfur]

this one's on my list to see this year...that's for *sure*

 

[busterdog]

Expelled - the movie -

in theaters spring 2008

Cool trailer.

'"Darwinists are afraid."

 

[flicka]

Cool trailer.

'"Darwinists are afraid."

No...they aren't.

 

[mark kennedy]

I am excited about the movie and can't wait to see it. I expect I'll see it at a theater but even if I don't I will own it. I don't know if it's Academe Award material but it gets my vote for documentary of the year.

Isn't it amazing that Darwinians can't produce stuff like this.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Mallon]

Isn't it amazing that Darwinians can't produce stuff like this.

Stuff like what?

 

[mark kennedy]

Stuff like what?

Stuff like intelligent, provocative, professional docudramas. Oh they write books and you'll get some PBS or National Geographic stuff but nothing on alternatives to Darwinism. Intelligent Design isn't going away and if Darwinians didn't censor Creationism and ID with such a vengeance it would just be another curious intellectual movement.

But they can't do that, they don't educate and provoke serious attention. They ridicule and censor and the time will come when Darwinism is finally exposed. My biggest concern is the backlash and the genuine article of science being smothered.

Stuff like what? If that isn't rhetorical posturing I don't know what is.

 

[busterdog]

Stuff like intelligent, provocative, professional docudramas. Oh they write books and you'll get some PBS or National Geographic stuff but nothing on alternatives to Darwinism. Intelligent Design isn't going away and if Darwinians didn't censor Creationism and ID with such a vengeance it would just be another curious intellectual movement.

But they can't do that, they don't educate and provoke serious attention. They ridicule and censor and the time will come when Darwinism is finally exposed. My biggest concern is the backlash and the genuine article of science being smothered.

Stuff like what? If that isn't rhetorical posturing I don't know what is.

Its funny you mention that. Dawkins is on youtube with Myers complaining that they were trying to keep him out of a special screeming of the movie.

Obviously, he didn't like getting smoked on the issue of the interview. Frankly, I don't care that they smoked him.

If I had been in charge, I probably would not have done it this way.

If Dawkins and his ilk have an apology or regret for careers ruined and opinions censored, I would love to hear about. Lets seem him advocate for those folks.

To some extent, I feel a bit of a sense of a double standard, since I have zero condemnation for the producers of the movie. First of all, I just don't have time for it. The bigger isssue is what about the careers that were ruined.

Does anyone really care?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OQWfzNk96E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko-fb77YHg8

 

[Mallon]

Stuff like intelligent, provocative, professional docudramas. Oh they write books and you'll get some PBS or National Geographic stuff but nothing on alternatives to Darwinism. Intelligent Design isn't going away and if Darwinians didn't censor Creationism and ID with such a vengeance it would just be another curious intellectual movement.

But they can't do that, they don't educate and provoke serious attention. They ridicule and censor and the time will come when Darwinism is finally exposed. My biggest concern is the backlash and the genuine article of science being smothered.

Stuff like what? If that isn't rhetorical posturing I don't know what is.

Have you seen the movie, mark?