Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed... A movie review

[Nadiine]

The reason I didn't like Expelled was because before I even saw it I had read about the people claiming to have been persecuted and saw that this film was not entirely honest about things. And then I read about other professionals who have faced discrimation and lost their jobs for maintaining that ID/Creationism wasn't science. For the record I don't think it is either. But even for those being as open minded as possible the only conclusion anyone can draw is that there are people of all beliefs who use their positions of power improperly againt those who disagree with them. There is no one conspiracy to keep a certain idea down. There are only flawed people.

I also didn't like how it gave no real explaination of ID or Evolution yet lead the audience in one direction without facts to back anything up.

Basically, like all documentary style propaganda pieces, I was insulted that the film didn't expect me to do my homework. And concerned about the majority who never bother.

I disagree, I think there ARE certain conspiracies to keep certain ideas down - look at your media today!

That is a classic case of shoving liberalism down our throats by several news agencies just for starters.

Why are the majority of University teachers democrat/liberal? We've heard case after case of non democratic kids being bullied & brainwashed by these teachers in the classrooms (nevermind the double standards).
If it isn't "conspiracy" (a word I hate btw - becuz it reminds me of the whole green martian type thing), then it's a real interesting coincidence of the overwhelming predominance of liberal democrats hired into certain fields who then promote the policies.

 

[GenemZ]

[/size][/font]Hey Genez - I'll not go into specifics on the mammal/sauropod divergence as I don't know too much on that.

And, that exactly where I wanted you to go.

Your response is atypical of the others I have seen over the years. Just push it aside and refuse to apply common sense and reason. Wait for it to go away....

When stuck with the obvious? Refuse to reason. Tell them... "later."


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[Cabal]

And, that exactly where I wanted you to go.

Your response is atypical of the others I have seen over the years. Just push it aside and refuse to apply common sense and reason. Wait for it to go away....

When stuck with the obvious? Refuse to reason. Tell them... "later."

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Well, I figured it was best to talk about what I know more about (physics) than what I know less about (genetics), being a physics major and all

 

[GenemZ]

Well, I figured it was best to talk about what I know more about (physics) than what I know less about (genetics), being a physics major and all

Then? Why are you trying to reason with non-physics majors?

I find that to be quite hypocritical.

Its OK for us to debate you? Being non-physics majors?

But? If something takes you outside of where you feel secure to have pat answers?

Like I said... its an atypical response when your side sees the corner getting tighter. I have seen it many times over the years. Its apparently a trend in the the type of makeup those who are vulnerable to the seduction TOE offers.


"I will not allow you to position me into a place where I can be easily refuted."

(how quaint)



Enuf already... That game has been played too long for it to remain effective forever. And, I know it becomes a waste of time when it reaches this point Its the typical TOE type's version of claiming the 5th.

You have been refuted. But, claim you do not have the qualifications to realize you have been.


Till then...




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[Cabal]

Then? Why are you trying to reason with non-physics majors?

I find that to be quite hypocritical.

Its OK for us to debate you? Being non-physics majors?

Dude....if you think someone trying to explain their point of view to you is hypocritical, then feel free. Don't expect many people to agree with you on that one though. I've tried to explain things to you. You asked for further examples, and I gave you them. Perhaps instead of coming out with random insinuations you could respond to them, hmmmmm?

But? If something takes you outside of where you feel secure to have pat answers?

Oh trust me Genez, you haven't gotten me to that point yet, not even remotely....

Like I said... its an atypical response when your side sees the corner getting tighter. I have seen it many times over the years. Its apparently a trend in the the type of makeup those who are vulnerable to the seduction TOE offers.

Do you mean typical or atypical? If it's atypical you then HAVEN'T seen it many times before.

"I will not allow you to position me into a place where I can be easily refuted."

(how quaint)

Responding to people's questions politely and to the best of my knowledge and being honest when I didn't know the answer - nope, doesn't sound like that at all.

Maybe seeing as you have failed to convince ANYONE of ANYTHING throughout this thread so far, you should look in the mirror and reconsider your own debating tactics?

You have been refuted. But, claim you do not have the qualifications to realize you have been.

I admitted I'm not a biologist. Which is the truth. I was replying to Frisbee's post about mathematical probabilities. And then you throw in one point about divergence of two types of species, using your standard "I can't believe it" argument. What has that to do with probability? It does not refute Boltzmann's law (the maximising entropy law I have attempted to discuss for the last page), and I was honest to admit I didn't personally know the answer about divergences. (and don't worry, someone with a decent biology major would easily give you an explanation for divergences, so you have only pointed out the limits of my knowledge, not refuted me)

What would you have preferred? That I waffle out an answer gleaned from reading a wikipedia page? No, I decided to answer your question about crystals, which I have some knowledge about and could give you a decent answer.

But I don't think it really matters - as long as people don't agree with you, you seem quite happy to conduct yourself the complete opposite way, as if you have all the answers.

Now, please, mature up, and respond to my points on crystals? the points that you asked for?

 

[Nadiine]

Ok is this thread turning to creation vs. evolution?

 

[Frisbee]

Hey Cabal, I just watched a movie called "Unlocking the mysteries of life" by Illustra media and it was very, very good. I couldn't recommend an ID film more highly!

They present evolutionary theory in detail, and present the case that Dawinian naturalism falls far short of the mark in the application of science in explaining the origin of life. I could write a mini book on the details, but the short version is that they took a very in depth look at biological evolution and expored what evolutionists claim, versus the truth that science reveals in reality.

It amounts to a lot of assumptions being made about evolution, and the charge that ID being pseudo-science seems to be the case in evolution! Evolutionists at that lvele (under the microscope) aren't using science in the same way that they are requiring ID proponents to explain their theories, and the film again goes into solid scientific detail of where the holes are.

What caught my eye the most was that they presented a very scientific and real case for the actual process, minus the case presented when evolutionary theory is being held up as the basolute answer to all of life's questions.

Anyhow, it was a great film and I learned a lot. That paper I gave you the link earlier for regarding stastical probablities was covered in it and included using scientific method to determine design. I must say that I got it, and the case for the criterea of determining design really should be examined thoroughly by science. Not just ID proponents and those who oppose their theories, but by objective scientists who are less interested in being correct about a theory, and more interested in finding the truth.

 

[GenemZ]

Ok is this thread turning to creation vs. evolution?

Its evolving?

 

[Nadiine]

Its evolving?

I dunno, is it? lol

I thought the subject of the OP was about the stifling of creationists in society... not arguing creation/evolution.

 

[Frisbee]

These discussions almost always seem to turn into debates over evolution, but you're right the original intent for the thread was indeed the movie and the movie is about academic freedom

By any chance have you caught this one though... "Unlocking the mysteries of life"

I think it's a very good presentation of the case for ID.

 

[GenemZ]

These discussions almost always seem to turn into debates over evolution, but you're right the original intent for the thread was indeed the movie and the movie is about academic freedom

By any chance have you caught this one though... "Unlocking the mysteries of life"

I think it's a very good presentation of the case for ID.

I only watched the intro at this time. Downloading it now, and will watch later.

From what I saw so far, it looks like a work of integrity. It also looks like these are scientists who adhere to the true principles of science and are willing to resist the herd bound tendency the theory of evolution has wrought on many in their field.


Thanks for the link! This is what this thread needed.


Grace and peace, GeneZ



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[Psalms34]

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

I have no idea why it isn't rated G, but I assure you that it is completely safe to take your family to see. No nudity, violence or questionable language. Perhaps the theme is a bit adult and children might be bored, but it's not inappropriate at all.

It's because it has smoking in it.

 

[Frisbee]

I only watched the intro at this time. Downloading it now, and will watch later.

From what I saw so far, it looks like a work of integrity. It also looks like these are scientists who adhere to the true principles of science and are willing to resist the herd bound tendency the theory of evolution has wrought on many in their field.


Thanks for the link! This is what this thread needed.


Grace and peace, GeneZ



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Thanks Gene and I agree. Many folks haven't seen Expelled, but this is something they can watch now (after it downloads, it is a large file). It might shove us off the deep end as we debate ID vs evolution, but bar the ability to post Expelled here, it's the best thing we have to work with. It was completely scientific in it's arguments, and didn't stray from using solid science even once.

Critics claim the same things they always claims, basically that ID is junk science, but if you watch the entire film it becomes very clear that it is not junk science. In fact it becomes clear that teh claim that evolutionary process can explain everything with scieince is in fact a false belief because science can not explain everything we currently know.

When I was driving this morning I was thinking about the possibility that perhaps something other than ID or evolutionary process could evolve from their research (pardon the pun), but like I say often... I can live with any truth. Either God is who He claims to be, or He is a liar. He claims to be truth, so I can rest comfortably in any truth that is presented. I feel it is my place and my job to then figure out what it means.

 

[GenemZ]

Critics claim the same things they always claims, basically that ID is junk science, but if you watch the entire film it becomes very clear that it is not junk science.

Its not junk science.

Those are words fomented by critics who fear the film's message. They say those words in hope that those motivated by a need for approval from their peers, will not see the film on the basis of fear of name calling.

We are also back in the throes of an emotional appeal with the hope that others will assume its junk science, simply because they are told so. Yes, even science has its own secular 'popes' that speak ex cathedra. Amazing the parallels we see between bad science and religion.

I can hear a rumbling sound with dust arising. There are lots of loud moo's emanating from a herd, that listens to the ones sitting on horses, wielding whips with cries to move in the direction they desire the herd to be bound. That's what's happening.

Same old story.

But? We are told? The Emperor sure has nice clothes.

In fact it becomes clear that the claim that evolutionary process can explain everything with science is in fact a false belief because science can not explain everything we currently know.

In that video, the mechanism that bacteria uses for propulsion is fascinating. It made me sit up in awe to see what kind of creative mind the Lord's soul possesses.

For the scientific genius in this life who feels isolated in a world of common folk, he will be in heaven just to be in the presence of the One who can explain everything to him that he has always wanted to know. Then be shown things that will place him in a state of awe that he will wish would never end.

Hey? In Eternity? It may seem to never end. No need to hurry along. Timelessness makes it not an issue!

When I was driving this morning I was thinking about the possibility that perhaps something other than ID or evolutionary process could evolve from their research (pardon the pun)

It goes beyond Intelligent Design. God is also the supplier of the raw materials which he created [bara] 'out from nothing.' Ex nihilo' ... That's what the Hebrew text reveals to us!


So? God designed. God produced the very matter needed to manifest what he designed. And, then manufactured it. In some cases, he did all that simultaneously as shown with the heavens and earth.

He did so, all under one roof. And? Without paying union dues! (Yet, he is a Union)

, but like I say often... I can live with any truth. Either God is who He claims to be, or He is a liar. He claims to be truth, so I can rest comfortably in any truth that is presented. I feel it is my place and my job to then figure out what it means.

God is not a liar. Those who think he is, I believe really (secretly) believe that God is a lie. They profess God because they want to present themselves as being acceptable with those who's approval they value. For how can one win over the minds of those who despise atheism? Yet, they find themselves behind the same fort walls as the atheist.....

To be evolved... (continued)


Grace and peace, GeneZ



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[Frisbee]

I found a great quote that is very relevant for this discussion...

"This is natural anytime you have a new controversial idea. The first stage is people ignore you. Then, when they can't ignore you, comes the hysteria. Then the idea that was so radical becomes accepted. I'd say we're in the hysteria phase."

John G. West
Senior Fellow
Discovery Institute