Expand or Die, AI!!!

[mindlight]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/europe-looks-embrace-ai-paris-summits-2nd-day-while-global-consensus-unclear-2025-02-11/

The US and EU appear to be offering alternate visions of the future of AI. The Europeans want it to remain human-centric and to regulate abuses of it that could harm people. The Americans see it as an engine of their growth and do not want Europe to get in the way.

The American mentality seems to be that in a ruthless world, the only logic is to expand or die, to dominate or lose your place in the sun. The Europeans want to facilitate the use of AI but not at the cost of our humanity. They suggest that only trustworthy suppliers of AI technologies should be allowed to profit in the marketplace whereas the Americans want the wild wild west back and to just see where this frontier technology takes us.

Should AI just be about profits or is the technology dangerous enough to warrant regulation? Is it a tool of profit or people? Why isn't Vance scared of the Skynet in Terminator/WOPR in War Games/iRobot/The Replicants in BladeRunner and StarGate/Hal in 2001 Space Odyssey scenario?

 

[DaisyDay]

Isn't Musk's plan to replace most government workers with AI?

AI, of course, can be dangerous. It steals, lies and hallucinates. Robot assisted surgery is one thing, but robot surgery would be another.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Isn't Musk's plan to replace most government workers with AI?

AI, of course, can be dangerous. It steals, lies and hallucinates.

Sounds right at home in the Trump administration.

 

[DaisyDay]

Sounds right at home in the Trump administration.

No doubt it can be taught to defraud. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it were being trained up on that for some time now.

 

[Jipsah]

The US and EU appear to be offering alternate visions of the future of AI. The Europeans want it to remain human-centric and to regulate abuses of it that could harm people. The Americans see it as an engine of their growth and do not want Europe to get in the way.

So while we natter about whether the US approach is better than the EU approach, the Chinese jump in with one that is better than either and renders that discussion moot. Enough 19th century Euro/American centrism, that model is dead.

Why isn't Vance scared of the Skynet in Terminator/WOPR in War Games/iRobot/The Replicants in BladeRunner and StarGate/Hal in 2001 Space Odyssey scenario?

The whole science fantasy movie view of AI is simply goofy. Could we please give it a rest?

 

[Jipsah]

Isn't Musk's plan to replace most government workers with AI? AI, of course, can be dangerous. It steals, lies and hallucinates.

Then it wouldn't require much training to become a govermment mployee, would it?

 

[Jipsah]

Sounds right at home in the Trump administration.

Yeah, AIs might actually do their jobs.

 

[Malleeboy]

Question I have, is AI a possible manner for the demonic manifestation? If so we ought to be be careful.

 

[Aaron112]

Question I have, is AI a possible manner for the demonic manifestation? If so we ought to be be careful.

no.
but it is all , with media, etc, et al, 'controlled'/ managed in and by an utterly sinful society - being careful doesn't protect someone from it - it is evl all around us , worldwide.

 

[Pommer]

Yeah, AIs might actually do their jobs.

And if it takes them a few years to work out the bugs…?
I’m sure that the millions of people affected will trip happily into this brave new world!

 

[mindlight]

So while we natter about whether the US approach is better than the EU approach, the Chinese jump in with one that is better than either and renders that discussion moot. Enough 19th century Euro/American centrism, that model is dead.

The whole science fantasy movie view of AI is simply goofy. Could we please give it a rest?

You might want to swat up on Deepseek - it is not as powerful as the Western models. Its advantage was that it used less powerful technology more efficiently.

DeepSeek Chinese AI firm undermines US Tech giants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjr85l2e4l4t Nividia lost $500Bn in shares and a lot of the mainstays of the Western AI world are also crashing. It seems the Chinese have found a cheaper way to compete in this arena. They use cheaper chips with cleverer networking. Sort of like bringing a...

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Sci-fi is a good way to articulate legitimate concerns about how autonomous systems might act contrary to human interest and how AI might replicate itself across systems.

 

[mindlight]

No doubt it can be taught to defraud. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it were being trained up on that for some time now.

This is the greatest worry, that people who have the resources to fund the AI Server farms will use this power for profit to twist agendas and information sharing. AI should be a tool of transparent democracy not of authoritarian control or corrupt trading practices.

 

[mindlight]

Question I have, is AI a possible manner for the demonic manifestation? If so we ought to be be careful.

AI could be a force magnifier for a demon-possessed person but could not be demon-possessed itself. It lacks body and soul and is not a spiritual entity.

 

[mindlight]

And if it takes them a few years to work out the bugs…?
I’m sure that the millions of people affected will trip happily into this brave new world!

There are Luddites who oppose every great technological leap. AI can facilitate good or evil. A humancentric approach to regulation ensures that it serves people rather than nonsense agendas it drives itself in the pursuit of meaningless synthetic knowledge or the for-profit/control motives of gangsters and authoritarian regimes.

 

[DaisyDay]

Then it wouldn't require much training to become a govermment mployee, would it?

That depends on the job. You understand, I'm assuming, that there is a range of jobs from janitorial to rocket scientist? From filing to firefighting? AI may be suitable for many mostly repetitive, rote tasks but not at all suitable for those requiring judgement. Yes, the chatbot can answer routine questions. but others require an actual person.

AI is a tool, not a person.

 

[Jipsah]

That depends on the job. You understand, I'm assuming, that there is a range of jobs from janitorial to rocket scientist? From filing to firefighting? AI may be suitable for many mostly repetitive, rote tasks but not at all suitable for those requiring judgement. Yes, the chatbot can answer routine questions. but others require an actual person.

AI is a tool, not a person.

It was a joke.

 

[Jipsah]

You might want to swat up on Deepseek - it is not as powerful as the Western models. Its advantage was that it used less powerful technology more efficiently.

Right not as good at net scraping, but a better (more efficient) engine. Brute force can cover a multitude of sins.

Sci-fi is a good way to articulate legitimate concerns about how autonomous systems might act contrary to human interest and how AI might replicate itself across systems.

The only thing I've seen that was in any way reflective of possible real world AIs was 2001 A Space Odyssey. Everything else was purely techno-fantasy.

 

[DaisyDay]

It was a joke.

Poe's Law.

 

[durangodawood]

AI could be a force magnifier for a demon-possessed person but could not be demon-possessed itself. It lacks body and soul and is not a spiritual entity.

How can we rule out that it might develop a soul - if it becomes properly self-conscious?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

How can we rule out that it might develop a soul - if it becomes properly self-conscious?