Exodus

[IAmLegion.]

No Egyptian records (not the Hyskos, not Ipuwer Papyrus, not Didomose). No Greek records. No non-canon records. Is this just a "myth" as people consider genesis, a fictional attempt to prove God's Covenant? Thoughts

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Who ya gonna believe, the Bible, or the Experts? (Wasn't an Egyptian chariot wheel dating back to that period found in the sea at the exact location of the Red Sea crossing?)

owg

 

[ebia]

No Egyptian records (not the Hyskos, not Ipuwer Papyrus, not Didomose). No Greek records. No non-canon records. Is this just a "myth" as people consider genesis, a fictional attempt to prove God's Covenant? Thoughts

The early chapters of Genesis are myth. The Exodus story looks more like an epic.

 

[DArceri]

The early chapters of Genesis are myth. The Exodus story looks more like an epic.

Aaahhh.... So basically, when Jesus responds to the Pharasees question and quotes from Genesis 1 (and later about Moses), he is propogating a big myth?

Listen if you believe Jesus is God and reveals ALL TRUTH, then you MUST believe the Genesis account of creation. For by quoting from Genesis 1, Jesus is legitimizes the creation account of mankind. Otherwise you must believe He is a fibber and liar and can't be from God.

Mat 19:3-6:
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"
"Haven't you read," He replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

Listen if you believe Jesus is God and reveals ALL TRUTH, then you MUST believe the Genesis account of creation.

Says you

Also- which Genesis creation story are you supposed to go by?

 

[DArceri]

Says you

Also- which Genesis creation story are you supposed to go by?

Easy fellow....It really doesn't matter what 'version' you believe in, what is important is that you believe man was created by God. So bottom line, Genesis 1 is truth, NOT A MYTH. If you don't believe this, then you have to beleive Jesus was a liar or fibber.

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

oh ok, so now it is one or the other? How about both? You take the point that he created humans literally, why not the rest? Exactly, Lord, Liar, or Lunatic.

 

[DArceri]

oh ok, so now it is one or the other? How about both? You take the point that he created humans literally, why not the rest? Exactly, Lord, Liar, or Lunatic.

He created all of creation. But note, my statements are for Christians only who believe Jesus is God in the flesh...It is not up to me to make you believe Jesus is God in the flesh, the revelation of the glory of God to mankind. That is the Holy Spirits job.

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

He created all of creation. He said so.

hahaha

EDIT: Looks like I beat you to your edit...

 

[DArceri]

hahaha

EDIT: Looks like I beat you to your edit...

He did say so. But I didn't want to debate REVELATION with you because you are a non-beleiver.

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

I want to get in deeper with how you feel about Gen. 1 and 2. You said it did not matter which you believed in, as long as you believe god created man. You then state Gen. 1 is truth, but what if someone believes that Gen. 1 is a fictional story, but they believe in Gen. 2?

 

[DArceri]

I want to get in deeper with how you feel about Gen. 1 and 2. You said it did not matter which you believed in, as long as you believe god created man. You then state Gen. 1 is truth, but what if someone believes that Gen. 1 is a fictional story, but they believe in Gen. 2?

Quit beating around the bush. State your true question.

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

I am pretty sure I did, when I wrote it out for you. Let me try again:

I want to get in deeper with how you feel about Gen. 1 and 2. You said it did not matter which you believed in, as long as you believe god created man. You then state Gen. 1 is truth, but what if someone believes that Gen. 1 is a fictional story, but they believe in Gen. 2?

 

[DArceri]

I am pretty sure I did, when I wrote it out for you. Let me try again:

If you want to debate the Gen 1 account with the Gen 2 account on sequence of events, there are apologetic books on that. Like I said before, the purpose of my earlier response was to Christians only. It's 3:45 am where I am and I need to call it a nite.

 

[Atheian Libertarist]

You don't have to answer right now, I was looking for your thoughts on the accounts. If you want to dodge the discussion you are more than welcome to.

 

[ebia]

Aaahhh.... So basically, when Jesus responds to the Pharasees question and quotes from Genesis 1 (and later about Moses), he is propogating a big myth?

Myth does not mean lie. Myths are ways of talking about the most important storts of truths - the really big stuff like theology - through particular styles of narrative.

Listen if you believe Jesus is God and reveals ALL TRUTH, then you MUST believe the Genesis account of creation.

I do believe the Genesis account, but as the genre it is - myth - not a genre it is not like science, history or a recipe for fruit cake.

For by quoting from Genesis 1, Jesus is legitimizes the creation account of mankind. Otherwise you must believe He is a fibber and liar and can't be from God.

He legitmizes it as theology, not science. Genesis 2 is profoundly true theology - it doesn't need to be science or literal history for that, and nothing about Jesus' or the apostles' quotes from it requires it to be science or literal history; the truths they draw from it and the points they make from it are deeper than that.

Jesus told the truth because Genesis 1-10 is true. It just isn't science or history, it's theology written as myth - which is about the oldest and most effective way of writing theology.

 

[barryrob]

No Egyptian records (not the Hyskos, not Ipuwer Papyrus, not Didomose). No Greek records. No non-canon records. Is this just a "myth" as people consider genesis, a fictional attempt to prove God's Covenant? Thoughts

Jesus know it to be true, thus Christians do:-

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It is undeniable that Jesus was sure that God created Adam and Eve, the parents of the human race. His disciples also believed this. (Gen. 2:21-24; 1 Cor. 6:16; 15:45; Eph. 5:31; Luke 3:23-38) Once, in answering a question about divorce, Jesus said:

"Did you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’?—Matt. 19:4-5​

 

[DArceri]

Myth does not mean lie. Myths are ways of talking about the most important storts of truths - the really big stuff like theology - through particular styles of narrative.


I do believe the Genesis account, but as the genre it is - myth - not a genre it is not like science, history or a recipe for fruit cake.



He legitmizes it as theology, not science. Genesis 2 is profoundly true theology - it doesn't need to be science or literal history for that, and nothing about Jesus' or the apostles' quotes from it requires it to be science or literal history; the truths they draw from it and the points they make from it are deeper than that.

Jesus told the truth because Genesis 1-10 is true. It just isn't science or history, it's theology written as myth - which is about the oldest and most effective way of writing theology.

Hey EBIA,
The pre-incarnate CHRIST was not only there at the beginning, but also creation was made through Him, for Him and BY Him. He wouldn't propogate a myth if He knows what the Truth is. Do yourself a favor and do a study on the Angel of the LORD. That was the pre-incarnate Jesus, the Son of God, The WORD OF YHWH, throughout the O.T. That was Him at the burning bush, throughout Genesis and throughout EXODUS. If you are a Christian, you need to know the O.T.!!! It is a lead-in to the N.T. John, Peter, Paul and all other NT writers knew there O.T. and who the WORD of YHWH was.

 

[ebia]

Hey EBIA,
The pre-incarnate CHRIST was not only there at the beginning, but also creation was made through Him, for Him and BY Him. He wouldn't propogate a myth if He knows what the Truth is.

Myth is as capable of conveying truth as any other genre, and better at conveying theological and universal truths than more modernist genres.

Genesis is true, it's just not 'history' or science. Myth is no more opposed to truth than any other form of writing.

 

[DArceri]

Myth is as capable of conveying truth as any other genre, and better at conveying theological and universal truths than more modernist genres.

Genesis is true, it's just not 'history' or science. Myth is no more opposed to truth than any other form of writing.

Again, The N.T writers didn't think so....Do a study on the Angel of the LORD, you'll be blessed. Peace.


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