Exodus 20:9-11 (Creation)

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More trivial finger pointing. It it weren't so obviously pitiful what you are doing it would be entertaining.
Do you have any clue how this relates to the post you quoted? Because I sure don't.
 
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Its not that the Hebrews of old didn't interpret the creation as literally six days. Its rather that God, in His providence, allowed the language placed there to allow us to alternately interpret the creation narrative. Its is a miracle of God that the OT only has so few scriptures describing the pre-scientific viewpoint, which allows us to still consider the Bible seriously even though we today know the truth about evolution and the age of the universe.

The first chapter of Genesis is clearly poetic. It is seen by us, today, as a parable rather than a literal statement. Once, just like the statements that the sun rose in the morning and set in the evening, it was considered literally true. Today, though I will agree that the literal statement is of literal days and a literal week, I also affirm we do not have to interpret the passage literally. It is poetry. It points to the timeless, eternal truth of God as creator.

Look at the pattern of the days:

Day One: light is created. Day Four: Sun, Moon and Stars. Hmmm . . . any similarity?
Day Two: Seperation of waters above from waters below, creating an empty space. Compare to Day Five: Birds for the space between the waters, fishes for the waters. Hmmmm . . . more connections?
Day three: Dry land appears. Day Six . . . animals and plants on the land.

Clear patterns.

If you interpret the days as epochs, the order as not chronological but actually overlapping and topical . . . then you can agree with the narrative today even scientifically! A most remarkable achievement for God to manage into His word, we should not reject what God achieved there. He made it possible to reconcile His bible with modern science.

There is no way to keep to an all literal interpretation, not without admitting contradiction in the Bible. The alternate order of creation between Adam and Animals in genesis 1 vs 2 settles that. You MUST depart from literal interpretation if you wish to preserve inerrancy.

So why not go ahead and reconcile the Word of God as revealed in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes, with the Word of God in the Bible by that same means?

God cannot lie.
 
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In other words, you have made an arbitrary choice with no reason behind it.
Is that what faith is to you? "no reason"?

I'm glad God thinks otherwise.

Hebrews 11:38a Of whom the world was not worthy:
 
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Is that what faith is to you? "no reason"?

I'm glad God thinks otherwise.

Hebrews 11:38a Of whom the world was not worthy:

No it is only what faith is to you. I have reasons for my faith, you do not; I know this because you have been given ample time to explain your reasons for accepting KJV over Hebrew and Greek and have not shared them.
 
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No it is only what faith is to you. I have reasons for my faith, you do not; I know this because you have been given ample time to explain your reasons for accepting KJV over Hebrew and Greek and have not shared them.
I should report you for this, but I won't.
 
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My gosh there's that horse again. Ever hear of beating a dead horse? Scientific speculation does at times get things wrong, thankfully that's what makes science, science. Religion on the other hand must have reform forced upon it. But the fact that the earth is very old and the fact that it has been the host of many epochs of creature life is indisputable to lucid people.

And yes, the creation story was basically made up, it was written by the arrogant chosen people for the arrogant chosen people. Jesus never said we should attach his gospel to the Old Testament.
 
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IOW, you are not open to any new evidence ever because you have already determined that there is nothing that you could imagine that could convince you. Please tell me how I twisted that.
If you have the truth, what does it take to convince you of a lie?
 
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You should share reasons for being KJV only, which I haven't seen.
Over the centuries, there has been no question that the KJV is an extremely accurate retelling of the Scriptures; as accurate as the differing languages would allow. It wasn't until recently that those who refuse to believe the word of God began to twist the original definitions to make it fit with their true religion; evolution. Evolution is very important to them because if man is evolved then there is no Creator and no ultimate consequence to sin. It's easier for them to reject it all if the supplant it with a supposed "enlightened" Bible which says essentially nothing.
 
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How many times here have I said, "Now you know one of the reasons I'm a KJVO"?

If he's truly curious, he can Google why people are KJVO.

But it's easier to accuse me of having no reason(s) for my faith, isn't it?
 
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Caught in the act (Watch as these atheist evolutionist scientists confess)

G.G. Simpson in 1951 – evolutionism is a “done deal” and horse series is one of the clearest and most convincing example.

“The history of the horse family is still one of the clearest and most convincing for showing that organisms really have evolved. . . There really is no point nowadays in continuing to collect and to study fossils simply to determine whether or not evolution is a fact. The question has been decisively answered in the affirmative.” 2 Simpson, George G. 1951. Horses. Oxford University Press.



Outright confession –about the fraudulent horse series on display in the Smithsonian

"The uniform continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."—G.G. Simpson, Life of the Past (1953), p. 119.


"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories??] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.

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How is it that the history of the horse family - on display in the Smithsonian to this very day in 2016 as an arrangement fabricated by Othaniel Marsh -- is a fossil sequence "story" declared to "have never happened in nature" in the 1950's - by their own atheist scientists.

My gosh there's that horse again.

Irrefutable evidence of the junk-science nature of blind-faith evolutionism -- does not "vanish" simply because your Urantia preference does not find that fact of history 'convenient' -- I think we can all see that.


And yes, the creation story was basically made up, it was written by the arrogant chosen people for the arrogant chosen people. Jesus never said we should attach his gospel to the Old Testament.

Jesus quotes the OT text as written by Moses - and also affirms the "details" of marriage in Genesis 2 -- instead of the wildly abusive-to-the-text "story was basically made up, it was written by the arrogant chosen people".

Still - you have this one point in your favor -- your "attack the Bible first" solution in defense of blind-faith evolutionism is much-predicted and Darwin himself confessed to this fact.
 
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"stories easy enough to tell - but they are not science" - Collin Patterson - atheist evolutionist - scientist

Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history


On April 10, 1979, Patterson replied to the author (Sunderland) in a most candid letter as follows:


April 10, 1979 Letter from Colin Patterson to Sunderland
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“ I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them.

You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic license, would that not mislead the reader?

I wrote the text of my book four years ago. If I were to write it now, I think the book would be rather different. Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it.

Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a paleontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record.

You say thatI should at least show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived. I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test. So, much as I should like to oblige you by jumping to the defence of gradualism, and fleshing out the transitions between the major types of animals and plants, I find myself a bit short of the intellectual justification necessary for the job “

[Ref: Patterson, personal communication. Documented in Darwin’s Enigma, Luther Sunderland, Master Books, El Cajon, CA, 1988, pp. 88-90.]

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I will lay it on the line- there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.[The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science,

On Youtube, I asked several times of different Atheists/evolutionists to bring their proof to the table and let's talk about it, whether it be a single piece or a few pieces combined that prove evolution. Nearly, if not every single time a link was given to "go look at this" bunch of papers/documents/pictures and they never would bring what I asked, even after being specific and telling them why I would accept no link. I was supposed to go read all this stuff and be convinced just as they were. I never would go because I've seen it all before and there simply is nothing but what Patterson said....or things that some choose to believe as proof, but no real proof at all.
 
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You keep recycling the same straw man. You have NO EXPLANATION for the very presence of a multitude of fossils within many layers laid down over many ages compared to the Hebrews "blind faith" YEC, creation. Rather your avoidance, move the goalpost technique, is to use someone's acknowledgment that they cant find the transitional fossils. The picture graph I provided simply shows those different living things in their respectiave time periods, NOT the transitional life forms that frankly NEVER EXISTED anyway.

 
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Don't forget scripture must be interpreted by context as well as words. Gen 1 gives the overview of creation and the chronology of it. Gen 2 focuses on man and some other items left,out of the overview. God does not contradict himself so the easy explanation is God was reiterating the fact that he created the animals. Why would God try and reexplain himself? God doesn't have to say in Gen 2 "I created animals on day whatever and the birds on day whatever and the fish on day whatever and brought them t o,man to name" He's already told us what day they were created. He was pointing out in Gen 2 the difference between men and animals. Which is a DIRECT contradiction to evolution. The fact that man named all the creatures after his creation directly flys in the face of evolution.

This passage is easy.

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