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It could be that the former is a sub-set of the latter, or simply that the term "existence" has more that one meaning.
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I'd say it is a name we give to a state of affairs. That is, it isn't a thing in and of itself.
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Some view existence as the act of being. The very act that constitutes a reality.
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Existence is not an entity, rather it is a property of things. I think that fits somewhere between the two options you gave.
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Exactly. Existence, in that particular case, is a property of everything. You can't have "all" without something to quantify, and the definition relies on that "all".
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I don't think that I would consider existence a property. Rather, it is a way of noting that there are properties present. Existence isn't an additional property.
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The fact that we can form a noun from any verb seems to be a curse when it comes to philosphy.
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If something that doesn't exist in the physical world can be hypothesized, does it exist in some form? Take unicorns. They don't exist, physically. So we can say they don't exist. But according to your proposition, they would have to exist in some way, right?
I suppose the task is now to define exactly what existence means.
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No.
My point is that "existence" isn't a property on top of other properties, but simply the recognition that there is something there, something that has properties.
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René Descartes would say "I think therefore I am". Existence is a subjective active involvement with the universe, thus the lack of awareness or involvement in the universe would equal non-existence.
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So MAbuz a mountain has to be aware in orde to exist? BTW welcome to the boards.
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If existence means "the sum of all existents and their relations", then yes. Existing things exist, and they exist in relation to each other.
If "existence" means something in addition to the sum of all existents and their relations, then no.
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Let's say that all that exists are Bob, his chair (in which he is sitting), his pipe (which he is puffing), and an air-filled room (in which he is breathing and living).
"Existence" would simply refer to these entities and their relations, as described above. In fact, I could treat all of these things as a single entity. That entity could be called "existence". It could also be called "Bob's room".
Existence doesn't "contain" itself so much as it is itself. (At least, an entity "containing" itself sounds strange to my ears.)
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