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What is that stuff they use to put dogs to sleep? ketamine? I mean if they have to use injection, just put them to sleep, none of this gagging for 5 to 10 minutes, that is horrific!I did hear that one of the appellate judges did talk somewhat that firing squad would be more likely to pass the cruel and unusual punishment standard than lethal injection.
I don't know why LI has become the standard. Hanging was the traditional way to execute criminals and if performed correctly, results in quick death.
This is going to sound really insensitive but the death penalty might at least address overcrowding in prisons.
It is in Australia for sure.is that overcrowding is not really a problem in the United States on a national level
empty threat, no dramasHow are you guys coping with North Korea threatening to nuke you, by the way? Is the average person there terrified right now, or kind of dismissive of it and thinking it's an empty threat?
what about the cost of keeping prisoners alive?
(should I just hand in my liberal badge now?)
we don't have the death penalty in Australia. I think someone said it costs about 40 000 Australian dollars a year to keep one prisoner.The cost of keeping a prisoner alive the rest of his or her life is actually less than the cost of executing them
What's Tallguy's take on this?The cost benefits are on the side of eliminating the death penalty, at least here.
empty threat, no dramas
what about the brother who was killed at a Malaysian airport? what did he do to deserve such a fate?The current guy just seems unhinged to me
I don't consider the death penalty from a cost/benefit perspective. I consider it as society enacting justice against the most heinous criminals.What's Tallguy's take on this?
Neither of the men executed a few days ago denied their guilt. One of them even went so far as to say he deserved the death penalty and would reject clemency if the governor granted it.There is something wrong with our judicial process if we have 5% of the world's population and 20% of its prison inmates (with disproportionate numbers being people of color and the poor). Prison should be rehabilitative (especially if the state has provided inadequate education to the poor and the people of color, which is often the case).
There was ample evidence that the "due process" these prisoners received was marginal at best, criminal at worst. Attorneys having affairs with the judges, drinking on the job, failing to present defenses.
The childhoods of these prisoners were often horrific--physical and sexual abuse, abandonment, substance abuse at home, etc.
But it's OK, I get it...a lot of it has to do with our views of God.
People who think these inmates got "due process" are sometimes liable to see God as someone who is up there in heaven reading some lengthy legal tome, not even peering over his spectacles at the "defendants." And so they think it's OK because they think God's justice is just as arbitrary and legalistic.
But we here in TLT see God as one who understands us completely and sees every obstacle in the road we have traveled on earth. Ain't it grand to be a TLT'er? Wouldn't you like to see God the way TLT'er's do, too?
Tried to go to Disney World.what about the brother who was killed at a Malaysian airport? what did he do to deserve such a fate?
Not all people respond the same way to a situation, and not all circumstances are equal , but it's nice of you to handwave bad childhoods for us.Neither of the men executed a few days ago denied their guilt. One of them even went so far as to say he deserved the death penalty and would reject clemency if the governor granted it.
And I can't abide the rough childhood argument against the death penalty. A lot of people have bad childhoods and they don't go on to rape and murder a mother and daughter. As long as the men were mentally competent regarding what they were doing, then they are personally and individually responsible for their crimes and the state has recourse to the death penalty.
Don't respond to my posts if you can't do so without making it personal.Not all people respond the same way to a situation, and not all circumstances are equal , but it's nice of you to handwave bad childhoods for us.
With drugs that can legally be used for lethal injections in short supply, the Arizona department of corrections’ latest execution protocol states that attorneys for death row inmates are welcome to bring along their own.
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