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Executing 7 men in 10 days this Easter will not restore justice to Arkansas

Discussion in 'The Lord's Table - Liberal Catholics' started by Fish and Bread, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Fish and Bread

    Fish and Bread Dona nobis pacem

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    Executing 7 men in 10 days this Easter will not restore justice to Arkansas

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  2. Fish and Bread

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    [Staff edit].

    The Christian message is one of redemption and new life. Why would we celebrate death, especially on this Easter Sunday? We need to keep society safe from murderers, but this can be achieved simply by imprisoning them. Killing them is gratuitous and part of the eye for an eye Old Testament justice that Jesus said we should move beyond IMO.

    Additionally, even in death penalty cases, there are times when innocent people are convicted. If we discover they are innocent while they are in prison, we can't give them those years of their lives back that they've lost while unjustly suffering in prison, but we can at least release them and let them live the rest of their lives as free men and women. If we execute them, we can't bring them back from the dead and give them their lives back when we find out they were wrongly convicted; they remain dead.
     
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  3. Shiloh Raven

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    I guess I will never understand how some Christians can celebrate and rejoice in the death of another human being, especially when the Christian claims to be pro-life. As far as I am aware, Christians were commanded to love their enemies, pray for their enemies and do good to their enemies. I cannot recall one scripture reference where Christians are commanded to rejoice in the death of another person, no matter the circumstance of the death. Is there such a scripture or scriptures that I must have missed?
     
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  4. LoAmmi

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    Worth pointing out that even prior to Jesus's time, the idea was about compensation for the injury done, not about poking everybody's eye out. It wasn't some kind of execution buffet.
     
  5. Fantine

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    A state Supreme Court has blocked it because the pharmaceutical company who provided it to the state was not told it was being used--in combination with other drugs--to kill. As I understand it, these companies don't want their medications to be used as part of a poison cocktail.

    The state attorney general is appealing--says the judge went to an anti-death penalty rally and is biased.

    In the meantime, I believe one or two of the prisoners has been recommended for clemency.
     
  6. HawgWyld

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    It was Wendell Griffen, a Pulaski County circuit judge, who issued that injunction. Shortly after his ruling, he lied on a cot in front of the governor's mansion and made out like an inmate who was being put to death. And, that is a consistent problem with Wendell Griffen -- even if his rulings are sound, his out-of-court antics often call his judgment into question.

    Meanwhile, a federal judge has put six of the executions on hold (two were granted stays already) as she claims that the state's attempt to get these over with in a hurry so its supply of lethal injection drugs won't go bad has denied them due process. Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge, then, has a busy week ahead.

    No one has been recommended or clemency.
     
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  7. HawgWyld

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    [Staff edit].

    I'm no fan of the death penalty. In fact, I enjoy the irony that quite a few members of the pro-choice bunch here in scenic Arkansas are out protesting the death penalty (apparently, killing is OK except when it's not or something like that). I'm of the belief that we ought not cheer about either useless murderers or unwanted babies being put to death.

    Meanwhile, I'd argue that Jason McGehee and Kenneth Williams are the worst of the bunch. Williams helped beat a teenager to death and McGehee had great fun taunting the victim's family during his trial. I'm all for keeping these eight fine gentlemen locked up for the rest of their lives.
     
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  8. Shiloh Raven

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    What a horrible witness to the Christian faith when Christians rejoice and celebrate the death of people or call for the death of people. It is disingenuous for them to keep calling themselves pro-life.

    And I repeat from my previous post: As far as I am aware, Christians were commanded to love their enemies, pray for their enemies and do good to their enemies. I cannot recall one scripture reference where Christians are commanded to rejoice in the death of another person, no matter the circumstance of the death. Is there such a scripture or scriptures that I must have missed?

    I think this quote is appropriate for this thread: "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable." - Brennan Manning of dc Talk
     
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  9. Tallguy88

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    I prudentially disagree with our good bishop.

    If the men were convicted by a jury of their peers and received due process of law, then the death penalty is a just recourse of the State. I have seen nothing suggesting that any of these men were wrongly convicted or sentenced. As such, the Governor should not issue them pardons. And activist judges should not overturn the sentences of the trial court.

    All this fanangling over the specific drugs and how they were obtained is a bunch of missing the forest for the trees. The cocktail was approved by the US Supreme Court and what does it matter how the State obtained it?
     
  10. Tallguy88

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    I wouldn't celebrate the death of murderers, per se. But there is absolutely nothing unChristian or unCatholic in supporting the Death Penalty as a matter of prudential judgment. Pope Benedict said so. He also said we could disagree on the DP but not on abortion. So saying that being pro-DP and Pro-life are contradictions is not in line with the teaching of the Church.
     
  11. Tallguy88

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    Supreme Court bars Griffen from hearing cases related to executions

    The Arkansas Supreme Court has barred Pulaski County Circuit Judge Wendell Griffen from hearing any cases involving the death penalty or the state's execution protocol. The Court said it would reassign cases currently before Griffen.

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    Griffen had granted a temporary restraining order against the Arkansas Department of Correction from using vecuronium bromide as a part of its three-drug execution protocol in response to a lawsuit filed by the drug's supplier, McKesson Medical-Surgical.

    Griffen went to protest outside the Governor's Mansion on Friday shortly after granting the temporary restraining order, prompting an outpouring of criticism.

    Supreme Court bars Griffen from hearing cases related to executions | Arkansas Blog
     
  12. Stanfordella

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    According to this article in NPR, the pharmaceutical supplier alleges that the state bought the drug deceptively, actively misleading the seller about what the vecuronium bromide would be used for, so this further justifies their position.
     
  13. bettercallpaul

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    That's a useful word "prudentially". I think I'll use that word in future when disagreeing with any Catholic Bishop, Cardinal or Pope. It exonerates me from having a different opinion to them. :)
     
  14. Tallguy88

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    It's the word Pope Benedict used to describe how we may disagree. Badically, my disagreement is still rooted in Catholic theology and isn't over a so-called non-negotiable issue that we are not allowed to disagree with.
     
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    This thread has had a clean.
    Please note that this is the Liberal Catholic forum. Posts not in keeping with the beliefs of Liberal Catholics, or mocking their position, are not allowed here.

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  16. Fantine

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    Arkansas executions: profiles of the eight death row prisoners

    If they could learn these facts in England, why aren't they published in Arkansas? I did read that Lee asked that has last meal be "Communion." (Not sure which denomination Lee is a member of.)

     
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  17. Fantine

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    Join the USCCB in prayer against the death penalty:
    Prayer to End the Use of the Death Penalty
    "Merciful Father, we ask your blessing on all we do to build a culture of life. Hear our prayers for those impacted by the death penalty.

    We pray for all people, that their lives and dignity as children of a loving God may be respected and protected in all stages and circumstances.

    We pray for victims of violence and their families, that they may experience our love and support and find comfort in your compassion and in the promise of eternal life.

    We pray for those on death row, that their lives may be spared, that the innocent may be freed and that the guilty may come to acknowledge their faults and seek reconciliation with you.

    We pray for the families of those who are facing execution, that they may be comforted by your love and compassion.

    We pray for civic leaders, that they may commit themselves to respecting every human life and ending the use of the death penalty in our land.

    Compassionate Father, give us wisdom and hearts filled with your love. Guide us as we work to end the use of the death penalty and to build a society that truly chooses life in all situations.

    We ask this Father through your Son Jesus Christ who lives and reigns with the Holy Spirit, one God forever and ever."

    Amen
     
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  18. Shiloh Raven

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    Thank you for posting this prayer, Fantine. It is inspiring.
     
  19. Tallguy88

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    As of earlier this evening, three of the planned seven executions have taken place.
     
  20. bettercallpaul

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    Lethal injection sounds grotesque. Even firing squad would be better than that.
     
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