Ex-Con Hovind released from the pokey.

MikeEnders · Jul 16, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Anything that damages a society must go no matter what it is,

Nope. Unlike you we can look and see further than the event. IF we knee jerk ended free speech we would create another problem where only the people who decide free speech must go are the only ones to have freedom. Similar to how the UK is littered with years of history where evil kings took advantage of the rest of the population.

46 percent of gun owners said they bought the gun for protection, protection from whom? other Americans?

Good night poor soul! Get an education. the number one reason the right to bare arms is in the constitution is that citizens would have the power to throw off oppression of militia. Guess who they had primarily in mind based on their recent history? a certain country called Britain! The culture of owning guns in the US was not built by outbreaks in crime of citizens but from protection against the likes of your own country. Turns out guns were kind of handy in kicking you out.

TheBear · Jul 16, 2015

AV1611VET said:
I can't for the life of me understand this fixation on Kent Hovind.

I remember one night when America was so fixated on Monica Lewinski, they broke in with news bulletins that she was about to make a public appearance; and all she did was come out of the courthouse, cross the street and go into the next building.

Mr. Hovind must have really rattled the Devil's chains.

brinny said:
Apparently he still is LOL!

AV1611VET said:

Hovind is a con artist and a fraud, operating under the banner of "Christianity". You should be ashamed of yourselves for even associating with, let alone supporting this clown.

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Willtor · Jul 16, 2015

TheBear said:
Hovind is a con artist and a fraud, operating under the banner of "Christianity". You should be ashamed of yourselves for even associating with, let alone supporting this clown.

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You're responding to the sports-ball mentality. To many people, the question of evolution isn't a matter of what's real or unreal. The question of evolution is a game, and anyone who can stick it to evolution is "playing for our team." Again, it doesn't matter whether Hovind is a fraud, or even whether someone agrees or disagrees with him. He's sticking it to evolution. Truth is not especially important. Team is.

JasonClark · Jul 16, 2015

MikeEnders said:
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You know nothing but what you watch on TV. there are several communities where gun shots have never been fired. Out of the 50 states (that you collectively lost) how many do you hear about in the news?

Meanwhile Brits never hear gunfire eh?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ooting-of-innocent-bystanders-in-north-london

http://london.ctvnews.ca/one-injured-four-arrested-after-shooting-in-wiarton-1.2470577

Also in your news now and shucks just around London alone. The good thing with your anti american garbage is its simple and easy to debunk

More rubbish. the vast majority would in fact say not

Just to let you know that the second link is for a place called London in the US and not London England.

JasonClark · Jul 16, 2015

Willtor said:
You're responding to the sports-ball mentality. To many people, the question of evolution isn't a matter of what's real or unreal. The question of evolution is a game, and anyone who can stick it to evolution is "playing for our team." Again, it doesn't matter whether Hovind is a fraud, or even whether someone agrees or disagrees with him. He's sticking it to evolution. Truth is not especially important. Team is.

As far as the average creationist thinks you're right but as far as Kent Hovind is concerned he's not on anyone's team he's playing his game for himself.

Loudmouth · Jul 16, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
How many Americans would you say are religious? half the population? is religion a thriving business for quite a lot of people?
is there a lot of money to be made from religion?

If I were to estimate, I would say that 99% of people who are paid by Christian churches make a modest income that isn't taking advantage of anyone. I don't think religion is different from any other area of business. The vast majority are good, honest people with a tiny percentage who are dishonest.

does Kent Hovind tell lies to religious people in order to make money,
do you think he is in it for the money?

Although I am not a professional, I think Kent Hovind has some serious mental issues. I don't know if he understands what lies are or if he understands why lies are bad.

Willtor · Jul 16, 2015

JasonClark said:
As far as the average creationist thinks you're right but as far as Kent Hovind is concerned he's not on anyone's team he's playing his game for himself.

As you say, he's definitely playing for himself.

In Boston we root for anybody who's playing against the Yankees (New York's baseball team for non-Americans out there). It doesn't matter that they aren't the Red Sox (Boston's team). We just hate the Yankees.

But that's a game that, at the end of the day, means nothing. For many people, the question of truth is like this, and so they'll cheer on a fraud as long as he's sticking it to something they don't like.

Loudmouth · Jul 16, 2015

SkyWriting said:
What is your natural language? You must have skipped English class. And people.

And again with the semantics.

You want to shift the argument away from the fact that professional creationists peddle lies to other topics, such as who gets to decide what is good and bad. That is what a semantic argument is.

JasonClark · Jul 16, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
How many Americans would you say are religious? half the population? is religion a thriving business for quite a lot of people?

Loudmouth said:
If I were to estimate, I would say that 99% of people who are paid by Christian churches make a modest income that isn't taking advantage of anyone. I don't think religion is different from any other area of business. The vast majority are good, honest people with a tiny percentage who are dishonest.

I don't think Jan means the people working for religion, I think she means the people who are using religion to make money for themselves, the TV evangelists, Kent Hovind, Ken Ham and the banana man, they are all fabulously rich so have no intension of trying to get through the eye of that needle.

MikeEnders · Jul 16, 2015

JasonClark said:
Just to let you know that the second link is for a place called London in the US and not London England.

good find....wrong link (looks like Canada though).

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...ally-lifechanging-gunshot-wound-10333478.html

Loudmouth · Jul 16, 2015

JasonClark said:
I don't think Jan means the people working for religion, I think she means the people who are using religion to make money for themselves, the TV evangelists, Kent Hovind, Ken Ham and the banana man, they are all fabulously rich so have no intension of trying to get through the eye of that needle.

I took it to mean someone like the pastor at a local church. That pastor is "making money off of religion" in the form of a salary paid by tithes from church members. However, I don't think anyone is being taken advantage of in that situation.

What is interesting is what happens at higher levels of administrative hierarchy in larger churches. Take the Roman Catholic Church. They have halls gilded in gold and hundreds of billions of dollars sitting in the bank. All the while, catholics in the 3rd world are starving and dying from treatable conditions. That doesn't make sense.

AV1611VET · Jul 16, 2015

Willtor said:
Again, it doesn't matter whether Hovind is a fraud, or even whether someone agrees or disagrees with him. He's sticking it to evolution.

An enemy of one's enemy is one's friend.

Loudmouth · Jul 16, 2015

AV1611VET said:
An enemy of one's enemy is one's friend.

Are you saying that lying for Jesus is ok?

JasonClark · Jul 16, 2015

Loudmouth said:
All the while, catholics in the 3rd world are starving and dying from treatable conditions. That doesn't make sense.

I think it makes perfect sense, apparently the lord helps those who help themselves and the Catholic church has already helped themselves to most of what's on offer.
The Catholic church tells everyone they are in the business of saving souls not lives, if you are dying of starvation and you are a good Catholic then the Catholic church has done a good job as far they are concerned.

AV1611VET · Jul 16, 2015

Loudmouth said:
Are you saying that lying for Jesus is ok?

Of course not.

AV1611VET · Jul 16, 2015

JasonClark said:
The Catholic church tells everyone they are in the business of saving souls not lives, if you are dying of starvation and you are a good Catholic then the Catholic church has done a good job as far they are concerned.

Do you know any instances where this was the case?

bhsmte · Jul 16, 2015

Jan Volkes said:
Yes I did say that because it's true.
When a dozen or so crazy Muslims flew planes into the towers the whole world wanted moderate Muslims to stand up and condemn the killers but they didn't, only a few spoke out against the killers, in the US religious con men are openly conning people everywhere every day and very few people speak out against it, why? because it's masquerading under the guise of free speech.
If 'free speech' is hurting and damaging people something must be done, people do not sit on their hands and do nothing expecting things to get better, "for injustice and ignorance to thrive all it takes is for good men to do nothing".
That's why I included all Americans because most Americans are just watching and letting it happen and saying nothing.
Americans are determined to love their 'Free speech' even if it kills them.
Anything that damages a society must go no matter what it is, 'free speech and guns' are destroying America because both encourage crazies to do crazy things, how many Americans deep down feel genuinely safe?

46 percent of gun owners said they bought the gun for protection, protection from whom? other Americans?
I know that not all Americans have guns or even feel the need to have a gun but I also know that most Americans would not be surprised if they heard gunshots, Brits only ever hear gunshots on the TV in the cinema or if they are in a war zone,
are Americans living in a war zone? quite a lot of them would say yes they are.

Time for ignore.

RickG · Jul 16, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Of course not.

Which makes me wonder why there is not a movement in mainstream Christianity to openly speak out about the methods applied in creation science.

AV1611VET · Jul 16, 2015

RickG said:
Which makes me wonder why there is not a movement in mainstream Christianity to openly speak out about the methods applied in creation science.

That's like wanting to ban guns by banning the bullets.

I have a better idea.

Just say creation science is a contradiction in terms.

RickG · Jul 16, 2015

AV1611VET said:
That's like wanting to ban guns by banning the bullets.

I have a better idea.

Just say creation science is a contradiction in terms.

I think Christianity would benefit from speaking out, because it does involve virtually all denominations.

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