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Evos contridict themselves

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Posted by Ifrit:

"Actually, if you had read troodon's link, you'd have noticed that it suggests that scutes derived from feathers, not the other way around. "

"Scutes are not all identical, they can change, and feathers may have evolved from them."

Where did scutes come from?
Feathers
Where did feathers come from?
Scutes
 

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Megachihuahua said:
These were in consectutive posts. He must have a really short memory if he forget a little fact that his theory stands on.
So the theory of evolution is suddenly reliant on how feathers evolved? That was a comic relief.
 
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Megachihuahua said:
Posted by Ifrit:

"Actually, if you had read troodon's link, you'd have noticed that it suggests that scutes derived from feathers, not the other way around. "

"Scutes are not all identical, they can change, and feathers may have evolved from them."

Where did scutes come from?
Feathers
Where did feathers come from?
Scutes
The thread in question is here in case anyone was curious.

Megachihuahua, if you would read the link you would see what is being said. The researchers, Zou, Niswander, and Alan Brush, (incidentally, Brush opposes dinosaurian ancestry for birds) performed an experiment where they inserted a virus which inhibited the expression of a certain protein into the embryos of chickens. What they found is, when this protein is inhibited, the scutes on the legs of the chickens grow into feathers.

Now, what does this tell us? It tells us that birds have the genes necessary to grow feathers on their feet but they also have one or more genes that produce a protein which prevents this from happening. This protein causes the feet to grow scutes instead of feathers (which are biochemically very similar).

Putting this into context with evolution, the researchers toyed with the possibility that feathers are inherant in archosaurs. That is, the most recent common ancestors for all archosaurs was feathery. If this were the case then the scutes we see in impressions of dinosaur skin would have evolved from feathers with the help of a protein very similar to that found in the chicken. If feathers are not inherant in archosaurs, then what happened was feathers first evolved from reptilian scutes and then reversed in some parts of bird anatomy (such as the feet) back into scutes.

So, actually, not only is it possible for feathers to have evolved into scutes, it is also possible that scutes evolved into feathers and feathers back into scutes. It is not a contradiction.
 
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Megachihuahua said:
Posted by Ifrit:

"Actually, if you had read troodon's link, you'd have noticed that it suggests that scutes derived from feathers, not the other way around. "

"Scutes are not all identical, they can change, and feathers may have evolved from them."

Where did scutes come from?
Feathers
Where did feathers come from?
Scutes
I am going to assume you meant evolutionists by 'Evos'. However there is still the problem of your use of plural.

You said that evolutionists contradict themselves. However to justify this statment you provide the claims of a single evolutionist. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not mean that all evolutionists contradict themselves. You still need to provide one more example of an evolutionist contradicting themself otherwise your title is misleading and erroneous.
 
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Megachihuahua said:
Posted by Ifrit:

"Actually, if you had read troodon's link, you'd have noticed that it suggests that scutes derived from feathers, not the other way around. "

"Scutes are not all identical, they can change, and feathers may have evolved from them."

Where did scutes come from?
Feathers
Where did feathers come from?
Scutes
Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing, if you had actually read the link you would know that ifrit was talking about two seperate, yet possible theories on the feather/scute/scale question.

Using words like "suggest" and "may" is in no way declaring a 100% position for either theory. He merely presented two possiblities that exist, we don't know which it is.

Here it is again, try reading it this time before commenting. http://www.dinosauria.com/jdp/archie/scutes.htm
 
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The web site is out of date. It was done in 1996.

Brush has a new Scientific American article out detailing the origin and evolution of feathers.

2. RO Prum and AH Brush, Which came first, the feather or the bird? Scientific American, 84-93, March 2003.
 
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