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Evolutionists and the Judgement

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I don't personally find anything in Scripture that is directly and unquestionably contradictory to evolution (see http://www.christianforums.com/t50886 to debate that personal belief of mine... it's not for this thread), but neither do I find anything that really supports macro-evolution. So, basically, I don't really care if evolution is valid or invalid. Additionally, I don't believe that the party that ends up wrong will be convicted or condemned...
 
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I think evolution seems to be a reasonably good construct for describing God's creative design and development of His creation. However, "scientific naturalism" is comfortable with the notions that all that exists is here because of unguided, impersonal forces plus time plus chance. I'm not comfortable with that. God bless, Al
 
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imasharp said:
My answer isn't there. I know in my heart and believe that Genisis is the only way of creation, by God himself.

This is my best answer also. I take the Word of God as we have it written or given to us. It is all that I need. As far as how God made things? He said it and it was and is. About the paticulars of the actual formation of creation? I'S A MIRACLE! :clap:
 
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Just curious... you guys that God said it was Creation and that that settles it. Well, in what way does that settle it? I don't recall any passage stating, "And God did not use macro-evolution in creating the earth. And God created the earth in 4000 B.C."

I'd just like to see some references to accompany some of these broad claims. I'm not attacking you at all -- I just want a little backing... Thx guys.
 
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bulldog86 said:
Just curious... you guys that God said it was Creation and that that settles it. Well, in what way does that settle it? I don't recall any passage stating, "And God did not use macro-evolution in creating the earth. And God created the earth in 4000 B.C."

I'd just like to see some references to accompany some of these broad claims. I'm not attacking you at all -- I just want a little backing... Thx guys.

Just curious......did God say that he used macro-evolution or that He stated He completed His work in 4000 BC? No it says that God spoke it and the thing spoken was finished. To add eons of time to that statement is wrong for there is no time period defined. To state that it (by our standards) happend within an instant will also be inaccurate.
So do we not have a choise but to take God at His Word?
Gen 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

While the Word tells us that a day was accomplished who's day was it? Man's day is 24 hours but God's day is eternal. Man is not around until the 6th day. Is that 6 eternities? Is eternity 6 million years of 24 hour days or 6 billion, 6 trillion? The question will never be settled this side of eternity. So our only option is to take God at His Word.
 
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I couldn't agree more. The Hebrew word yôm (the one translated into day) is rather undefined in any case. I would say the majority of Hebrew scholars would say it's a 24-hour day, but it's a slim majority. And "evening" and "morning" aren't 100% clinchers either (read Psalm 90:5-6... metaphorical use of those words). My personal opinion is that it's simply undefined, that it doesn't really matter what one believes about the specifics of Creation because Scripture is not specific. To me, anyway, it doesn't change anything. Either way, I'm here. My existence and state won't change either way.
 
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bulldog86 said:
I couldn't agree more. The Hebrew word yôm (the one translated into day) is rather undefined in any case. I would say the majority of Hebrew scholars would say it's a 24-hour day, but it's a slim majority. And "evening" and "morning" aren't 100% clinchers either (read Psalm 90:5-6... metaphorical use of those words). My personal opinion is that it's simply undefined, that it doesn't really matter what one believes about the specifics of Creation because Scripture is not specific. To me, anyway, it doesn't change anything. Either way, I'm here. My existence and state won't change either way.

You appear to be in rather good company, bulldog. Dr. Herschel H. Hobbs, who was probably one of the most respected theologians and Bible scholars of the past century, stated:

“The fact is that the Bible does not say dogmatically how long the creative period lasted. The Hebrew word for “day” (yom), like the English word, may mean any number of things: twenty-four hours, a generation, an era, or an indefinite period of time. Since the Holy Spirit inspired the writing of Genesis 1, it must be concluded that he did not spell out this detail. Had he said “a twenty-four hour day” or “indefinite period of time” that would settle it. But since he did not do so, the time element is not a vital point in faith.”
 
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imasharp said:
I agree that my heart used to be deceitful. I have been saved and sanctified by the blood of Jesus and my heart has love in it now. I hope that someday you can find the great love that I have and be able to enjoy it.
How do you know I haven't already, oh because I'm not a creationist. :rolleyes:
 
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