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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/25/nflood25.xml

They are getting closer to the truth. Flood stories abound universally, in lots of cultures.
The Evidence for the biblical flood is good.
And the recent evidence for dino's living alongside man, has taken a turn for the better.
see link-http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp

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The Australian Aborigines tell stories of giant man eating beasts. How did they know about them if they hadnt of seen them.?
 
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They are getting closer to the truth. Flood stories abound universally, in lots of cultures.
The Evidence for the biblical flood is good.
And the recent evidence for dino's living alongside man, has taken a turn for the better.
I feel like that guy in your avatar.
 
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And the recent evidence for dino's living alongside man, has taken a turn for the better.
see link-http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp



please see:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html

follow the links to:
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm

The Australian Aborigines tell stories of giant man eating beasts. How did they know about them if they hadnt of seen them.?

so:
mermaid, unicorn, centaur, dragon, griffin and Minotaur, phoenix, sphinx, unicorn, Gryphon, pegasus, gargoyle

are real because someone described them?

take a look at:
http://webhome.idirect.com/~donlong/monsters/monsters.htm

it lists lots.
they all must have been real since it is in an online encyclopedia.
 
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The Australian Aborigines tell stories of giant man eating beasts. How did they know about them if they hadnt of seen them.?
It could be from meeting 7 meter land crocodiles, the quinkana, when they arrived in Australia.

______--_____________-___________________________ You should have seen
_______---_______________________________________ the one that got away

There would also have met Megalania prisca, a carnivorous 600Kg, 6m long relative of the monitor lizard.
There were also pretty impressive non-venomous snakes, Wonambi naracoortensis 5 - 6 meters long, and the 10 meter Liasis, a type of python. That is about the size of the largest anaconda or reticulated python.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna#Reptiles
 
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And the recent evidence for dino's living alongside man, has taken a turn for the better.
see link-http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp


please see:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html]...-



follow the links to:
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm]-


The info provided in your links, has already had a response .from the scientist who wrote the article and the person who did the research -1 OCT 2006-http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4657/
The soft and flexible tissue was like that originally. The solution used to wash away the mineral deposits, did not make the tissue soft and stretchy.

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It could be from meeting 7 meter land crocodiles, the quinkana, when they arrived in Australia]


http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/199/
 
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The info provided in your links, has already had a response .from the scientist who wrote the article and the person who did the research -1 OCT 2006-http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4657/
The soft and flexible tissue was like that originally. The solution used to wash away the mineral deposits, did not make the tissue soft and stretchy.

It's one thing for a creationist to misquote an evolutionist, but for a creationist to misquote a creationist is quite interesting and rarely happens. Quoting from the provided link:

Note that of course you won’t notice the softness in a tissue encased in a hard matrix, but once this matrix was removed by a complexing agent, the soft tissue was left behind—and we never implied otherwise. It is misleading to assume that the procedure generated the soft tissue; this was there all the time, so it it is a huge problem for long ages.

this was written by Carl Wieland, not Dr. Mary Schweitzer, and Wieland does not offer any proof that he is trying to represent Dr. Mary Schweitzer. In fact Schweitzer is still a theistic evolutionist, AFAIK.

So this does not qualify as a response from the "scientist who wrote the article and did the research", this is a response by a creationist commentator.
 
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And the recent evidence for dino's living alongside man, has taken a turn for the better.
see link-http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp


please see:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html]...-



follow the links to:
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm]-


The info provided in your links, has already had a response .from the scientist who wrote the article and the person who did the research -1 OCT 2006-http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4657/
The soft and flexible tissue was like that originally. The solution used to wash away the mineral deposits, did not make the tissue soft and stretchy.

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It could be from meeting 7 meter land crocodiles, the quinkana, when they arrived in Australia]


http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/199/
Basically, in spite of there not being a scrap of fossil evidence of dinosaurs and man ever living in Australia together, when there is clear fossil evidence that the Aborigines did share Australia with some extremely nasty big reptiles, you would prefer to believe they saw dinosaurs?
 
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Wasn't there also the fossils of some kind of giant Tasmanian Devil type creature found?

Australia had all sorts of interesting macro fauna when the Aboriginies arived, look up "diprotodon" for example.
Giant lizards and goannas and all sorts of big scary things.

No dinosaurs though
 
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this was written by Carl Wieland, not Dr. Mary Schweitzer, and Wieland does not offer any proof that he is trying to represent Dr. Mary Schweitzer. In fact Schweitzer is still a theistic evolutionist, AFAIK.
In fact, there was an article online a few months ago, where Mary states that she's quite insulted that creationists have been misquoting her work. I don't know where the URL is now, though. Perhaps rmwilliamsll has it?
 
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Basically, in spite of there not being a scrap of fossil evidence of dinosaurs and man ever living in Australia together, when there is clear fossil evidence that the Aborigines did share Australia with some extremely nasty big reptiles, you would prefer to believe they saw dinosaurs?

The whole idea of recent dinosaurs in Australia messes up creationist theories of the Flood. Think about it. Creationists postulate that post-Flood, the earth underwent massive climactic change, resulting in a 700-year Ice Age. Now, for Australian Aborigines to have seen Australian dinosaurs, the dinosaurs must have survived that Ice Age long enough to get to Australia. How this is supposed to happen is for creationists to explain.

So the only possibility is that the last sighting between human and dinosaur was when Noah tended them on the Ark (for if they had survived the 700-year Ice Age, they would certainly have evolved enough to survive and be dominant today). This raises even more problems from a cultural perspective; since Australia was only definitely sighted in 1606, this means that the Aboriginals of Australia were on their own for about 3,200 years without any further human contact, and that the oral descriptions of dinosaurs must have survived in isolation for about 80 generations. Again, how an orally-transmitted description of a dinosaur can survive for 80 generations is for creationists to figure out.
 
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Lets say for a minute that there were some dinosaurs in Australia when the first people arrived. That would disprove evolutionary theory how exactly?

because of the time the scientist asked the artist to draw something half way between an amphibian and a bird, and he got a drawing of a duck. See? That proves evolution is a lie! [/sarcasm]
 
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Basically, in spite of there not being a scrap of fossil evidence of dinosaurs and man ever living in Australia together, when there is clear fossil evidence that the Aborigines did share Australia with some extremely nasty big reptiles, you would prefer to believe they saw dinosaurs?

Curious thing this desire to believe something.
Back in one of the Sabbath threads i mentioned that days of the week are extremely conservative, that people are very resistant to changes in calendars. That this was nice evidence that the Sabbath was not a creation ordinance given to Adam when there is no evidence that any of the patriarches knew anything about a 7 day week. The response then was that there was no problem to see the Sabbath and even a 7th day calendar lost in a few thousand years of history.

Yet here is the slimmest, unsupported evidence and YECists jump on it as proof of dinosaurs and man coexisting. the idea that the memory of dinosaurs can exist thousands of years as a cultural artifact.
 
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Jeffweeder...

I'm looking at your the site you linked too... I'm not particularly impressed. ask a specific question about the parts you think MOST prove evolutionary theory wrong, and I will do my best to demonstrate the correct understanding for you.
 
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http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm

Here are some points from a FORMER evolutionist.

I like the look of your photo,,peace

http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm
a bit worse than the average PRATT list



Evidence #1
There are no transitional links and intermediate forms in either the fossil record or the modern world. Therefore, there is no actual evidence that evolution has occurred either in the past or the present.

that is simply not true.
every fossil is a transitional, in the same way that you are a transitional between your folks and your kids. it is a form of Zeno's paradox.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html



Evidence #2
Natural selection (the supposed evolution mechanism, along with mutations) is incapable of advancing an organism to a "higher-order".

first, there is no such thing as a high order in the TofE, higher is a moral and ethical term and has no place in a scientific discussion.

RM-NS has been shown to do specific things like the nylon bug and antibiotics resistance. i don't personally know how to show a negative like "incapable" nor it's opposite showing how RM-NS is a sufficient explanation. nor do i think anyone really claims that RM-NS is sufficient in the face of a half a dozen other known mechanisms like sexual selection and genetic drift.

Evidence #3
Although evolutionists state that life resulted from non-life, matter resulted from nothing, and humans resulted from animals, each of these is an impossibility of science and the natural world.

this is abiogenesis not the TofE, the TofE says nothing about how the first replicator was devised, only what happens when a sufficiently robust replicator does exist.

Evidence #4
The supposed hominids (creatures in-between ape and human that evolutionists believe used to exist) bones and skull record used by evolutionists often consists of `finds' which are thoroughly unrevealing and inconsistent. They are neither clear nor conclusive even though evolutionists present them as if they were.

my interests aren't in this field, there are lots of good rebuttals to this however.

Evidence #5
Nine of the twelve popularly supposed hominids are actually extinct apes/ monkeys and not part human at all.

same as above, my interests in biology are in molecular and genetics.

Evidence #6
The final three supposed hominids put forth by evolutionists are actually modern human beings and not part monkey/ ape at all. Therefore, all twelve of the supposed hominids can be explained as being either fully monkey/ ape or fully modern human but not as something in between.

this is simply a lie.

Evidence #7
Natural selection can be seen to have insurmountable social and practical inconsistencies.

science has no social or practical consistencies. metaphysics and philosophy do. what social darwinism does with the science is nothing to do with the truthfulness of the science.

Evidence #8
Natural selection has severe logical inconsistencies.

what, exactly?

Evidence #9
The rock strata finds (layers of buried fossils) are better explained by a universal flood than by evolution.

this is a bald faced lie.

Bias Towards Evolution
Evolutionists often have come forth and admitted their own and their colleagues' extreme degree of bias in this matter. Some have admitted that their approach has not been scientific or objective at all. Many admit to the severe lack of evidence for evolution and that they have accepted their conclusions only because they are unwilling to accept that evolution never occurred. (And other final considerations.)

more metaphysical bluster.
 
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