Evolutionist Fraud

Pete Harcoff · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
The point is that what evos teach changes from day to day, week to week, month to month and year to year. They have even gone beyond neodarwinism in a vain attept to keep their theory believeable in light of the most recent discoverys. They keep grinding out theory and then science itself falsifys the theory so they just grind out a new theory that in time will be falsified.

Eh, you're just making a sweeping generalization in a vain attempt to discredit the theory. I doubt you could even name any changes to the ToE.

KittyPryde · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
A few years later his drawings were shown to have been fabricated, and the data manufactured. He blamed the artist for the discrepancies, without admitting that he was the artist. (source: Russell Grigg, "Fraud Rediscovered", Creation, Vol. 20, No. 2, pp.49-51)

And who discovered and announced these drawings to be fabricated? Was it the Creationist Church or scientists researching embryonic development of the developing fetus?

Pete Harcoff · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
Creationists know that evos are deceived. They know that evos buy into their own deception and are not able to admit their fraud. There is a lot of fraud. I quit trying to figure out the reason why there is so much fraud. But even if we do not know why evos do what they do, that still does not change the fraud and the deception.

Ah, okay. Yup, you've figured it all out John. Yup, lots 'n lots of fraud. Yup, all the hospitals, research labs, universities, biotech companies, agriculture companies, oil companies, and even NASA are in on it, too. In every single developed country. For the last 150 years. Yup, it's a conspiracy of epic proportions.

Here is your tinfoil hat. Enjoy.

Asimov · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
Creationists know that evos are deceived. They know that evos buy into their own deception and are not able to admit their fraud. There is a lot of fraud. I quit trying to figure out the reason why there is so much fraud. But even if we do not know why evos do what they do, that still does not change the fraud and the deception.

Romans 1:22-23
Professing to be wise, they became fools, [23] and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Wow, and yet you can't even demonstrate why! My goodness, you guys are so smart and yet....so not.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Lord_Marx said:
Congratulations, you finally realized how scientific theories work!

That is fine, that is not my point of contention. Although it may sound like it is. They do have to make the best of what they have to work with. As new information becomes available then this is going to change their teaching and their understanding of the evidence they have.

The problem is that very few evos actually read their Bible and so they do not know the truth. They are not lead by God in their work and in their understanding. So God just uses them to gather to give what they have gathered to those that do have understanding.

Eccles. 2:26
For God gives wisdom and knowledge and joy to a man who is good in His sight; but to the sinner He gives the work of gathering and collecting, that he may give to him who is good before God. This also is vanity and grasping for the wind.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Asimov said:
Wow, and yet you can't even demonstrate why! My goodness, you guys are so smart and yet....so not.

Of course we know WHY people are deceived:

John 3:19-21
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. [21] But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

I would like to have faith in the goodness of man, but the Bible says to put our faith in the goodness of God and to avoid the deceptions that so many fall into when they live their life apart from God.

Pete Harcoff · May 3, 2006

So what's the point of this evolution conspiracy anyway?

I mean, you've apparently got literally millions of scientists from all sorts of countries, cultural backgrounds, religions, etc, for the last 150 years perpetuating it. And it is freakin' elaborate, too! Hundreds of thousands of published research papers, textbooks, university courses, lab work, field studies... You've even got companies doing research that rests of the principals of evolutionary theory.

And for what? C'mon, if we didn't want to believe in God or the Bible, this seems like a pretty darned elaborate ruse (disclaimer: Evolution does not equal atheism).

I dunno. I know some creationists (or even a lot of creationists) buy into this stuff, but it boggles my mind to think about. You'd have to be pretty freaking paranoid to buy into it, that's for sure.

Lord_Marx · May 3, 2006

Bible quotes are not going to mean much to those who don't believe in the Bible's divinity. You cannot prove the Bible to an unbeliever using the Bible.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Pete Harcoff said:
Yup, it's a conspiracy of epic proportions.

Yes, you are correct, the corruption is epidemic all of creation has fallen into the bondage of corruption. The good news is that God provided a way for us to be restored. He gave His only begotton Son so that we could know redemption.

Romans 8:21 creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Any explaination that does not take the bondage of corruption and the glorious liberty of God into consideration falls short of the truth and the good news that Jesus became human to bring salvation to mankind.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Lord_Marx said:
You cannot prove the Bible to an unbeliever using the Bible.

I am not trying to prove the Bible.

Pete Harcoff · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
Yes, you are correct, the corruption is epidemic all of creation has fallen into the bondage of corruption. The good news is that God provided a way for us to be restored. He gave His only begotton Son so that we could know redemption.

Romans 8:21 creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Any explaination that does not take the bondage of corruption and the glorious liberty of God into consideration falls short of the truth and the good news that Jesus became human to bring us.

Um... I hate to tell you this, John, but... you've been deceived.

See Christianity is just another level of the conspiracy. A conspiracy within a conspiracy, if you will. It's all part of an extremely elaborate ruse to trick people into thinking they've found the real answers behind the false truths, when in fact the real truth is hidden behind another layer of false truths masquarading as the real truth, but deceptively hidden behind another layer of false truths.

You've been lied to, John. You've all been lied to. But don't worry. One day you will discover... the real truth.

Until that day comes... good luck to you.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

KittyPryde said:
And who discovered and announced these drawings to be fabricated? Was it the Creationist Church or scientists researching embryonic development of the developing fetus?

Science, it would do no good to talk about what the creationists accept or don't accept. I am going by what science is willing to accept and admit. People have to discover truth for themselves. If you try to teach the Bible like it were a text book, you will end up with dogma.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Pete Harcoff said:
A conspiracy within a conspiracy, if you will.

I am not talking about a conspiracy, I am talking about origional sin and the fall of mankind. You were the one that mentioned that is was all a conspiracy. I am talking about the redemption of mankind and the liberation of all of creation. Throgh Jesus we can all be delivered from the bondage of corruption.

Lord_Marx · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
I am not trying to prove the Bible.

You are saying that the reason that people believe in evolution is due to sin's influence on the world, right?

dlamberth · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
They does not falsify the fact that a lot of the so called evidence for evolution is "fake".

No...there is not a LOT of fake evolution evidence. You may want to believe that is so, but it simply is not the case.

You see, in science, everything must be testable, tested and validated by others. If something is fake, it will sooner or later be found out. If someone's interpertation of data is wrong, if will also sooner or later be found out. The lack of that process is why AIG and YEC 6000 year old earth is not real science.

There is SO, VERY MUCH information gleamed from evolution discoveries that relying on something a hundred years old to make a point about fake evolution discoveries is really, rather silly.

Asimov · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
Of course we know WHY people are deceived:

I would like to have faith in the goodness of man, but the Bible says to put our faith in the goodness of God and to avoid the deceptions that so many fall into when they live their life apart from God.

Possibly, however we also know who is doing the deceiving. You.

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

Asimov said:
Possibly, however we also know who is doing the deceiving. You.

I am not trying to promote creation science. So in what way do you feel I am deceiving people? We can take a vote. Is anyone here actually deceived? Is there anyone here that actually believes what I am saying? If so is that based on anything I said or on what you believe the Bible says?

JohnR7 · May 3, 2006

dlamberth said:
No...there is not a LOT of fake evolution evidence.

It is pretty hard to "fake" the evidence itself. They did actually have a tooth. It is just that they claimed it was a human tooth and the missing link and it turned out to be a pigs tooth. But we are told that it was a real tooth and they did find it.

Asimov · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
I am not trying to promote creation science. So in what way do you feel I am deceiving people? We can take a vote. Is anyone here actually deceived? Is there anyone here that actually believes what I am saying? If so is that based on anything I said or on what you believe the Bible says?

It doesn't matter if people are being deceived, your intent is deception. It doesnt' matter if you're not trying to promote creation science, you're still spreading lies and misinformation.

Split Rock · May 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
It is pretty hard to "fake" the evidence itself. They did actually have a tooth. It is just that they claimed it was a human tooth and the missing link and it turned out to be a pigs tooth. But we are told that it was a real tooth and they did find it.

John, if you lie about Nebraska Man one more time, I am going to finally put you on Ignore.

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