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5 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: An admission of not being able to understand standard English or ignorance of science or a demand to waste my time?I would love to debate with you but I need you to clean up your posts as i cannot understand what you are saying.
It appears some try to discredit others to undermine what they present.16 items of unthinking parroting of creationist ignorance and lies about evolution (3-9 August 2018)
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist delusions about artistic images of Lucy.
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots many creationist Nebraska man lies.
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist Piltdown man lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Pithecanthropus Erectus Java Man" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Pithecanthropus Alaus" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Archaeoraptor" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Some probable lies from creationists, e.g. the rather deluded Kent Hovind.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Idiocy of a list of debates.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: A "...the evolutionist lied to get people to believe in their faith" lie.
6 September 2018 Heissonear: Once again a stupid demand for arbitrary fossils and lies about the fossil record.Where are the missing fossils between these Cetaceans
It appears some try to discredit others to undermine what they present.
And think they have answered the question when they didn't.
Once again, RC
Where are the missing fossils between these Cetaceans
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This macro-assemblages list is a guess without sequences of fossils between them.
You know, Paleontology Without Conjecture
It appears that a select handful of creationists embellish their educational background to make people think they understand more than they do.It appears some try to discredit others to undermine what they present.
Where are the missing fossils between these Cetaceans
Lie.This macro-assemblages list is a guess without sequences of fossils between them.
You know, Paleontology Without Conjectur
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The Fossil Record
“Evolutionist see what they want to see, they see a past they believe has happened, and that desire drives their vision.”
-Randy Guliazza P.E M.D the imaginary Piltdown man
Artistic License
“Unfortunately, the vast majority of artist's conceptions are based more on imagination than on evidence. But a handful of expert natural-history artists begin with the fossil bones of a hominid and work from there…. Much of the reconstruction, however, is guesswork. Bones say nothing about the fleshy parts of the nose, lips, or ears. Artists must create something between an ape and a human being; the older the specimen is said to be, the more apelike they make it.... Hairiness is a matter of pure conjecture.”
-Bert Thompson, P.H.D. and Brad Harrub, P.H.D., 15 Answers to John Rennie and Scientific AmericanHYPERLINK "http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/dc-02-safull.pdf"'HYPERLINK "http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/dc-02-safull.pdf"s Nonsense
“There is a popular image of human evolution that you’ll find all over the place, from the backs of cereal packets to advertisements for expensive scientific equipment. On the left of the picture there’s an ape—stocky, jutting jaw, hunched in the knuckle-walking position. On the right, a man—graceful, high forehead, striding purposefully into the future. Between the two is a succession of figures that become ever more like humans, as the shoulders start to pull back, the torso slims down, the arms retract, the legs extend, the cranium expands and the chin recedes. Our progress from ape to human looks so smooth, so tidy. It’s such a beguiling image that even the experts are loath to let it go. But it is an illusion.”
-Wood, B., Who are we? New Scientist 176(2366):44–47, 26 October 2002
Why is it evolutionist think that dead organisms can do something “long ago” and “far away” that the same organisms cannot do today? Which is reproduce something other than its kind. In part because most of what is presented as missing links is just artistic license. Artists are told to draw the creature from the perspective of evolution and how old the fossils are said to be, thus how far along in the evolutionary process they are. Most fossils are really only fragments of the original animal a piece of jaw or tooth and can be interpreted various ways and disagreements over even what species they are occur. Than they draw pictures of what they believe it may have looked like in this evolutionary process to try to convince you of evolution, Allot of imagination and interpretation go into these finds and drawings. Here is the missing link “European man”
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“Imaginative action stories, art, and computer animations must be employed to “sell” evolution to the public.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin the fossil Record 2017
Lucy is a well known claimed missing link [more on lucy later]. She is also a very complete fossil 40%compared to most usally 10% or less. Yet even with Lucy there are many forms and ways she has been presented by evolutionist.
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The above shows the actual fossils found . With enough interpretation you can make fossils appear as you wish them to. In the book The greatest hoax on earth by Jonathan Safarti he talked of any interview with a fossil artists. Who says they draw a picture of what they are told to make the fossil look like, than the drawings are sent back to make more ape like, more human, or whatever is desired, until the picture matches what the evolutionist wanted. So when ever you see a picture in a textbook as proof of a missing link, ignore it and first see the actual fossils to see if the evidence matches the story told about them, what they want you to believe the fossils say.
“fossils are fickle, bones will sing any song you want to hear”
-Shreeve j arguments over a woman discover 11[8] 58 1990
“In science, “seeing is believing” but in evolution, “believing is seeing.” It takes a lot of believing to see an evolutionary thread through the scattered, shattered fossil fragments that serve as a basis for so many different “just so” stories and illustrative paintings.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin the Fossil Record 2017
In fact they dont even need fossils
“I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale.”
-Charles Darwin
Nebraska man
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Nebraska man was used to support evolution as a missing link It was presented in the museums and textbooks, shown in pictures in newspapers, as a missing link. They had enough fossil evidence that they could tell what environment Nebraska man lived in, what his wife and kids looked like, and what they ate. It was examined by leading authorities from 26 institutions across Europe and the US and classified as a missing link. The fossils remains were estimated to be around 10 million years old. Later it was found out the only actual evidence found was 1 tooth.
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As Creationist Duane Gish said, science is truly an amazing thing when they get that much information from one tooth. Not only that, it was a tooth of a pig. Here is the real Nebraska man
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This shows how much imagination goes along with these finds and that they see what they want to see. How many believed in evolution because of this “missing link” over the decades.
Piltdown man
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“Darwin's theory is proved true”
-NY Times sep 22 1912
“How is it that trained men, the greatest experts of their day, could look at a set of modern human bones—the cranial fragments—and “see” a clear simian signature in them; and “see” in an ape’s jaw the unmistakable signs of humanity? The answers, inevitably, have to do with the scientists’ expectations and their effects on the interpretation of data.
-Lewin, Bones of Contention, p. 61.
Piltdown man was in the textbooks and museums as proof of evolution for over 40 years it was seen as the fossil evidence for evolution. Hundreds of peer reviewed research papers were written on the fossil and information was factually given about how they died, their language and parenting. Tax money was used to build a monument and national sanctuary at the site of the find for this “most important evidence for evolution.” Claimed to be between 100,000 and 500,000 years old as newspapers around the world sold it to the public as proof of evolution.
“Researchers shaped reality to their hearts desire.”
-Blinderman The Piltdown Inquest
“Many scientist were so elated by the discovery that they uncritically accepted the sloppy forgery”
-Jerry Bergman Evolution's Blunders, Frauds, and forgeries
Later it was found to be a human skull with an apes jaw chiseled down to fit and stained to look old actually only a few hundred years old. Many scientist were involved with the forgeries including sir Arthur Smith Woodward director of the natural history museum in London who was given many awards and honors for the find. The job was even done horribly, scratch marks were left teeth artificially ground down in one case the pulp cavity was worn down and had to be filled with sand. The teeth were angular instead or rounded, flattened at different angels and standard store bought paint was used on the canine tooth.
“How easily susceptible researchers can be manipulated into believing that they have actually found just what they had been looking for.”
-biology philosopher Jane Maienschein Maienschein, J. 1997. The One and the Many: Epistemological Reflections on the Modern Human Origins Debates. Conceptual Issues in Modern Human Origins Research. Clark, G. A. and C. M. Willermet, eds. New York: Aldine de Gruyter, 413.
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No, but it wasn't a creationist that figured out it was fake.Lol.
Was it a creationist that faked piltdown man?
No, but it is creationists that lie about it - it wasn't 'faked' , it was a mistake. You know - like quoting a paper on hybridization that explains that alleles arise via mutation to argue that alleles do not arise via mutation. Or was that just ignorance and malice?Was it a creationist that faked Nebraska man?
No, it is creationists that do not understand anatomy.Was it a creationist that drew flippers, flukes and blow holes where none existed?
No, it was creationists that objected and so were accused of lying, even if in the end it was the evolutionists that were found to be the liars......
Do you consider your cousins 'missing links' between you and your great grandparents?I am guessing you are referring to Archaeopteryx. So if you think it is a missing link argue it.
Respond to what I have said.
Show us why it proves evolution.
Wow...Instead of just more baseless claims support your posts.
Funny that it was not creationists that caught it...My apologies...I was confusing Piltdown and Nebraska.
Piltdown was indeed thought to be authentic for some time. But that is the beauty of peer review...liars get caught.
And, as you probably know, there were many that doubted Piltdown's authenticity from the get-go. A fellow named Olson or something like that comes to mind - it has been some time since I read about it. I think it is in one of Gould's books.How is this a bad thing?
Do you love it when, for example, Jeff Tomkin's lies (or incompetence) is exposed? Most creationists do not - they ignore the facts in order to prop up their ancient middle eastern myths.I love when science proves evolutionist wrong in their attempts to mislead the public, nothing to object to at all from me.
Agreed on all counts.Oh, and feel free to give some examples of published "evolutionists" who have quote mined to support evolution. Or an evolutionary scientist in good standing who lies about his education.
You say that you have seen all these same things, but I'm sorry, I simply don't believe you.
Wow - you've been copy-pasting this exact post (or large chunks of it - or plagiarizing it)since 2011.I prefer to keep threads on topic and also to lay out the case in full for new topics. You bring up a subject that deserves its own topic and thread.
I never said science was a religion. i said evolution is a anti science religion refuted by science and observation such as the fossil record.
I agree i also hate when evolutionist are anti science, rather they should allow observation and the fossil record to form their beliefs rather than their faith ignore science.
It is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution, and stick by it to the bitter end, no matter which illogical and unsupported conclusions it offers. On the contrary, it is expected that scientists recognize the patently obvious impossibility of Darwin’s pronouncements and predictions . . Let’s cut the umbilical cord that tied us down to Darwin for such a long time. It is choking us and holding us back."
—*L.L. Cohen, Darwin Was Wrong: A Study in Probabilities (1985).
Further than we can do science shows evolution is false.
Science only Makes Sense in a Biblical Worldview
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if*their*thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
-C.S. Lewis (1898–1963),*The Business of Heaven, Fount Paperbacks, U.K., p. 97, 1984.
“Either human intelligence owes its origin to mindless matter or there is a creator. Its strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second”
-John Lennox prof fellow of mathematics and philosophy of science oxford university 2009
Evolution undermines the preconditions necessary for rational thought, thereby destroying the very possibility of knowledge and science. Evolutionist say we are nothing but random matter and chemicals getting together for a survival advantage. They say we are the result of hydrogen gas, than rain on rocks, than millions of years of mutations. So why should i trust them that what they are telling me is true? If there just evolved slimeology how do i know they have the truth? Why should i aspect one accident [our brain] to understand another accident the world? Would i believe bacteria or chemicals if they taught a class on science? Were just higher animals there is no reason to trust them or to know for sure they are telling the truth. We could not know that we were even viewing the world properly. How do we know our eyes, ears, brain, and memory are getting the right information? There is no way to know. We could be in some matrix world or as evolutionist recently in scientific American said we could be like a fish in a bowl that is curved giving us a distorted view of reality.[P 70 the theory of everything scientific American oct 2010 ]
Science would be impossible unless our memories were giving accurate info as well as our senses such as our eyes and ears . Laws of logic are needed as well. How does matter produce a organism with memory? Or a consciousness. If this comes from mere machines [us] they why would not machines gain consciousnesses? Science needs us to be able to know our senses are giving us the correct information, our eyes ears memory etc how do we know we are correctly interpreting actual reality? Also regularity in time space-uniformity [not uniformitarism] is needed to do science and to have knowledge otherwise our experiments would be pointless, and we would not be able to make any predictions.
Yet the universe is understandable, we assume the universe is logical and orderly as it obeys mathematical laws. That is how we can make predictions. Freedom to chose and consider various options free will not deterministic “dance to the sound of our genes” as Richard Dawkins described it. In fact if evolution is true evolutionist only believe in evolution because the chemicals in there brain are making them believe that, they did not come to some objective decision but random mutations that gave a survival advantage make them. evolutionist say anyone should be rational with beliefs logic etc is inconstant with evolution after all were just evolved pond scum, it assumes we were created.
But if creation is true than i would expect us as created by a intelligent creator to be able to properly understand nature. I would expect to be able to know im getting the right information, that i can trust that we are in a orderly universe that follows laws that make science possible. so that we were able to do repeatable* lab experiments etc. That there would be things like laws of logic, reliability of our memory, reliability of our senses, that our eyes, ears are accurately giving us the correct information, information to be able to do science in the first place. If biblical creation were not true than we could not know anything if we were not created by god we would have no reason to trust our senses, and no way to prove or know for sure.
Wow - you've been copy-pasting this exact post (or large chunks of it - or plagiarizing it)since 2011.
We can add 'lazy' to the negative attributes of creationists, now.
RC could be accountable tp parroting.16 items of unthinking parroting of creationist ignorance and lies about evolution (3-9 August 2018)
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist delusions about artistic images of Lucy.
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots many creationist Nebraska man lies.
3 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist Piltdown man lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Pithecanthropus Erectus Java Man" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Pithecanthropus Alaus" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Parrots creationist "Archaeoraptor" lies.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Some probable lies from creationists, e.g. the rather deluded Kent Hovind.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: Idiocy of a list of debates.
4 September 2018 Tolkien R.R.J: A "...the evolutionist lied to get people to believe in their faith" lie.
Once again, after you on another post presented which fossils prove evolution, see attached of said fossils. They do not show detailed morphological proof of evolution.6 September 2018 Heissonear: Once again a stupid demand for arbitrary fossils and lies about the fossil record.
This is the inane creationist tactic of asking for fossils in-between the fossils that we have which is then repeated when those fossils are found and repeated again and again and again.
We have fossils that already establish the evolution of cetaceans. Any more discoveries will be icing on the cake.
A "guess without sequences of fossils between them" lie when he has a diagram of the sequence of fossils worked out from the evidence.
Cetaceans have distinctive features, e.g. the involucrum. Any fossil with those features is a cetacean. The dating of the fossils gives their sequence. The sequence is confirmed by the changes in the fossils, e.g. the nostrils moving up the snout to the top of the head, limbs becoming smaller, etc.
I asked a simple question for you to prove evolution by the fossil record......................This is a spectacularly naive and simple-minded "argument" - the Gish gap gambit.......................
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