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Jamin4422 said:
Maybe what you need is an Oprah moment, where a little light bulb comes on and you say: "OH now I get it".
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No, he was right. He asked you how they can be sure that they only know 3-4% of all things when they can't possibly establish that figure unless they know what 100% is.

Your answer that it is because the other 95% or so is Dark Matter is a complete non sequitur.
 
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No, he was right. He asked you how they can be sure that they only know 3-4% of all things when they can't possibly establish that figure unless they know what 100% is.
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I am talking about what science has to say. Your discussion is with them. I have nothing to say about this myself. If they are wrong, then they are wrong, so what. Science is wrong about lots of stuff all the time. If you want to argue against science that is fine with me.
 
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Sometimes, science gets something wrong. So what?

The numbers you presented to us were still unsubstantiated, and your justification was embarrassing.
 
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i meant we as in our bodies. our bodies aren't that efficient.
 
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Non sequitur.

He was talking about how science knows what percentage of everything it has information about.

You start talking about Dark Matter. As though science knows everything about all things that aren't dark matter and knows nothing at all about dark matter.

Your logic is ridiculous.
 
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The Engineer said:
Sometimes, science gets something wrong. So what?
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Why the double standard? Why one standard for science and one standard for religion?
Either way as you judge you will be judged. The standard you use is the standard you have to live by.
 
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Jamin4422 said:
Why the double standard? Why one standard for science and one standard for religion?
Either way as you judge you will be judged. The standard you use is the standard you have to live by.
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Absolutely, why the double standard. Why must one deny well known scientific facts in order to believe in God?
 
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Absolutely, why the double standard. Why must one deny well known scientific facts in order to believe in God?
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There is NO contradiction between known scientific facts and the Bible.
Science is a VERY good tool to help us to understand our Bible.

If you accept Science then there is NO reason to reject the Bible, because Science supports the Bible.
Science is your witness and gives you testimony that the Bible is true and accurate.
You can not reject the Bible without also rejecting science.
 
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Jamin4422 said:
Why the double standard? Why one standard for science and one standard for religion?
Either way as you judge you will be judged. The standard you use is the standard you have to live by.
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Because Science corrects itself when it's found to be in error. Religion does not.
 
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lol, are you kidding me? There's all kinds of major contradictions between Science and the Bible.
 
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Because Science corrects itself when it's found to be in error. Religion does not.
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I am talking about the Bible, not religion. No one has been found to be qualified for that job for almost 2,000 years. People have been searching for error in the Bible for 3700 years and no one has found any error. Copy errors perhaps, but not original error from the original authors. There could also be translation issues. The Bible, the Word of God is backed up with all the authority of God. He watches over His word to perform it and to do what HE says He is going to do.

So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
 
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Jamin4422 said:
I am talking about the Bible, not religion.
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Then you're talking about a book containing poetry, mythology, history, folklore, political propaganda, etc., etc...


What's your point?

No one has been found to be qualified for that job for almost 2,000 years. People have been searching for error in the Bible for 3700 years and no one has found any error.
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Well, it's all in how you look at it -- scientifically speaking, there's plenty in the Bible that simply won't do.

Historically speaking, the Bible has some facts which match up, and some that do not.

As moral education, it's pretty spotty -- but you have to realize that spanning centuries of a given culture's history, their morals tended to vary based on their situation at the time.

In terms of predicting the future, it's an utter bust -- every one of the Old Testament predictions was a no-brainer and/or was written after the fact, and everything that carried over into the New Testament was so blatantly shoehorned in that it stretches credibility to the breaking point... and beyond.

However, as a source of comfort and wisdom to the masses, it functions quite well. The problem, of course, is that some of the people who use it for this purpose are so incredibly needy of such comfort and solace that the book, in and of itself, is simply not enough... and that's where things start to get bizarre...

The Bible, the Word of God is backed up with all the authority of God. He watches over His word to perform it and to do what HE says He is going to do.
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I wouldn't brag about that -- he also claimed to watch over a certain group of people, and He has a tendency to leave them twisting in the wind for centuries at a time.
 
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Ok, you tell me what percentage you want to use? Does it really matter for anything?
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It's not about that. It's about you coming to ridiculous conclusions due solely to the fact that you put two completely different pieces of information together and assume they are somehow connected.

If you are going to do that, don't expect me to take you seriously.
 
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