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One is that of his step-father Joseph. The other is of Mary.
WW wrote:
Well, crawfish correctly pointed out that meterology does. Germ theory certainly does as well, as diseases in the Bible are described (including by Jesus himself) as being caused by evil spirits, and germs are never described in the Bible. Not to mention that clearly evil heliocentric theory.
Papias
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Perhaps it would help you to study exactly what is meant by Biblical "clouds, lightning and hail." Or, continue to see the letter.
11 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Does the Bible describe television, telephones, electricity? For "germs" not to be mentioned by name isn't, to me, a very substantial argument.
There are evil spirits that Jesus contended with. He also said there are....
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people..
WW wrote:
I had to know that was coming. Please cite the verse that says that one is from Mary? It seems that creationists again show that they have no problem changing the Bible as they see fit.
It is also worth pointing out that there are not just two contradictory geneologies given, but three (see 1Chr. 3).
Papias
Does the Bible describe television, telephones, electricity?
Funny that it literally doesn't mention that.
(Also, why in the world would writers from a patrilineal society suddenly and unclearly resort to the matrilineal genealogy?)
The point is not how I see it (I have very little problems reading the obvious symbology here). The point is how can YOU see it as anything else than literal? And how does that not conflict with how you interpret Genesis 1 and 2?
Whenever a cause of a sickness is described, it is described as an evil spirit. It is never described as anything else, much less as due to germs.
If you don't have a problem with germs not being mentioned nor described, then why do you have a problem with evolution not being mentioned?
Papias
Precisely why creationists should drop the whole "evolution isn't in the Bible therefore it must be false" argument.
....both tell us there is illness. Because Christ didn't mention the reason for the sickness doesn't mean it wasn't caused by germs.
Joseph was "begotten" by Jacob his natural father but he was the son-in-law (reckoned by law) son of Heli. So, Heli would be the father of Mary.
OK. Since you claim the theory of evolution is 100% evil, I'm sure that you must have some credible evidence to substantiate the claim. Would you mind presenting that so that others can examine it. (Hint: That the theory may upset your interpretation of Genesis or creation doesn't count.)
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Gravity, germs, and atoms are also theories. Are they 100% evil, especially considering they have less evidentiary support than evolution?
The Psalms tell us that we are each individually created by God in the womb, too. Does that mean that embryonic development is also evil? Is it similarly contrary to creation?If evolution is true, then creation is not true.
God creates.
So evolution is evil.
Evolution is actually a collection of many different theorys. Some of them good, some of them total nonsense. Evolutionists do not even agree among themselves.
Gen 2:5 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground.
Look at the reason no plant had grown, the ground was dry and there wasn't a man to work the ground. How does this fit the creation of plants on day three which grew without a man being created for another three days? In Genesis 1, it wasn't that plants hadn't grown because there was no rain, the ground had been deep underwater that very morning and the reason plants did not grow between God creating the land in Gen 1:9 and plants in Gen 1:11 is that there weren't any seeds and there wasn't enough time anyway. Not as we read in Genesis 2, that there hadn't been rain and there was no gardener.
But an even bigger problem is when God created beasts and birds. In Genesis 1 the birds are created on day 5 and the beasts on day 6 before God created man and woman. In Genesis 2, God created man first, then the beasts and the birds, and then God makes the woman.
Genesis 1: plants, birds, beasts, then man and woman
Genesis 2: man, plants, beasts and birds, then woman
WW wrote:
And it also doesn't tell us, ever, anywhere, that any disease is ever caused by anything other than evil spirits. You are adding the idea of germs to the text, it simply isn't there.
The upshot is that you are, in one case, saying that evolution is evil because it isn't mentioned in the Bible, then turning around and saying that Germ theory isn't evil, even though it too isn't mentioned in the Bible. In both cases an explanation for the related phenomena is given.
Both Evolution and Germ theory are in direct contradiction to a literal reading of the Bible. When one's interpretation of a given Bible doesn't match the real world, one has to decide whether it is one's interpretation which is wrong, or if it is one's Bible that is wrong. We don't have the luxury of deciding that the real world doesn't exist.
it doesn't say "reckoned by law", and either way it doesn't say Heli was mary's father. The Bible says that Heli was joseph's father. You are again changing the text to suit your needs. Was it God's word, or man's ideas, which said Heli was mary's father? Obviously, man's ideas, since God's word says Heli is Joseph's father.
For 1 Cr, you didn't read the text. The list of fathers from David to Jesus is different - the list in Mt simply deleted some names. You did notice that, right? I can list them if you like.
Papias
In working an another thread I was shown.....
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, "Have ye not read, that He Which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
When was "the beginning" for that is when He "made them."Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Did we evolve into male/female? If yes...how? How does one produce another without the capability to produce. We don't. We were created at the beginning to produce as we were...male and female.
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said unto them, "Have ye not read, that He Which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
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