• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Evolution?

Naraoia

Apprentice Biologist
Sep 30, 2007
6,682
313
On edge
Visit site
✟30,998.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Natural selection, if a modern man was born of an neanderthal, would they not be considered a freak?
Small quibble: modern man most probably does not come from Neandertals.

Hello Craig,
Good to see you want to learn more on the subject. :thumbsup:
For starters, here's a good video explaining the ToE in just under 10 minutes.
I have serious issues with that video. I didn't stop it and take notes, so there are only two I can remember clearly enough to criticise:

(1) He says that after each mass extinction, life increased in complexity until the next. What measure of complexity is he talking about, because for the life of me I can't see that pattern. I don't think there was that much general increase in complexity after the Cambrian, and AFAICT if there was any (such as in land plants going from liverworts and mosses to seed plants between the Ordovician and the Devonian), it wasn't tied to the extinctions.

(Usual caveat: no palaeontologist here, just someone with a superficial interest in the history of life.)

(2) "the archosaur"?????? I almost headdesked when I heard that. Archosaurs are a whole big branch of reptiles, including crocs, dinosaurs (and by extension, ducks) and a whole lot of other interesting creatures that took over land during the Triassic. Yes, there are archosaurs that are close to the point where the bird and the croc lineages split, but to say that "the common ancestor" has been found and it's "the archosaur"...

Making and argument out of incorrect/stupid points doesn't flatter us any more than it does creationists.

Who has been wrong more? For a guy competing against thousands you sure hold up your end.
:D :clap:
 
Upvote 0

CraigBaugher

Member
Feb 18, 2008
301
38
Visit site
✟23,167.00
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Sorry folks, I work 12-hours a day, and actually have very little time to spend on the forums...

The picture of the skulls do not show anything... J & N look more closely related from a profile standpoint than M & N... Rig cages, hips, where is the slow shortening of the ribs, narrowing of the hips, changing of the pelvis, etc.
 
Upvote 0

Jester4kicks

Warning - The following may cause you to think
Nov 13, 2007
1,555
127
44
✟32,459.00
Faith
Taoist
Marital Status
Single
Sorry folks, I work 12-hours a day, and actually have very little time to spend on the forums...

The picture of the skulls do not show anything... J & N look more closely related from a profile standpoint than M & N... Rig cages, hips, where is the slow shortening of the ribs, narrowing of the hips, changing of the pelvis, etc.

Well that's pretty telling... you think about what "looks" similar... without focusing on the actual changes.

Pay attention to cranial stucture, brow, and cheek bones.

If you can't see the progression in the skulls... there's no point in trying to point out full skeletal progressions.
 
Upvote 0

Ectezus

Beholder
Mar 1, 2009
802
42
✟23,683.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
In Relationship
Sorry folks, I work 12-hours a day, and actually have very little time to spend on the forums...

The picture of the skulls do not show anything... J & N look more closely related from a profile standpoint than M & N... Rig cages, hips, where is the slow shortening of the ribs, narrowing of the hips, changing of the pelvis, etc.

Craig, can you respond to my post on page 1 and tell us which parts of the video you do not understand or don't show evolution according to you?

- Ectezus
 
Upvote 0