evolution.......

[BigJon]

if evolution is true it basicly means your worthless, your life is pointless. Although some on here try to distance themselves from the big bang, its taught almost hand in hand with evolution, which if its true, it means you life is worthless due to the fact the big bang was an accident, yeah you just happen to be here cause this chance accident happened in other words you were created or designed with in purpose, so your worthless. However I believe the good Lord has a purpose for my as well as everyones life, cause God created us, He made and designed us for a purpose.

For evolutionist...... Go find an ink pen... look at it hard and think, man aint it amazing a simple little ink pen has more value than your life, cause it was designed for a purpose, your just here as an accident.

For creationist, Find God's will and grow in it.

For people who claim there Christians and yet believe in evolution, your barking up the wrong tree.

 

[LouisBooth]

not that I'd agree with this, but I did find it interesting that you're worth about..I think it was $3 all together chemically.

 

[ardipithecus]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
not that I'd agree with this, but I did find it interesting that you're worth about..I think it was $3 all together chemically.

The chemicals in your body are worth FAR more than $3.

 

[LouisBooth]

Not in the trace amounts they are in ard.

 

[jon1101]

I'm not going to argue the naturalist or theistic evolutionist view here - I'll let them enjoy rebutting your logic here - but I'd like to mention that evolution in NO WAY WHATSOEVER includes the big bang. Evolutionists distance themselves from the big bang because the theory of evolution DOES NOT INCLUDE the big bang, nor vice versa. They do not rely on each other; refuting one does not refute the other; they are SEPERATE areas of science.

-jon

 

[unworthyone]

Originally posted by Cancer To Iniquity
They do not rely on each other; refuting one does not refute the other; they are SEPERATE areas of science.
jon

I have found that they are two forms of evolution:

Cosmological evolution and biological evolution.

If you want to be specific you must say "Biological Evolution" and "Cosmological Evolution". They both have characteristics leaning away from God, which is the point.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by unworthyone

If you want to be specific you must say "Biological Evolution" and "Cosmological Evolution". They both have characteristics leaning away from God, which is the point.

I don't think either does. Both have characteristics leading away from pantheonistic creation myths in general, whether they're the one in the Bible or any other... but neither is the slightest bit incompatible with God's glory.

 

[chickenman]

It doesn't make me worthless to know that I am the result of evolution. If I think about it really hard it makes me thankful that i'm even here and able to think.

 

[LouisBooth]

Really? evolution by defination is without purpose, so its quite by accident you are here. You don't have a purpose at all is what I think he is trying to say....

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
Really? evolution by defination is without purpose, so its quite by accident you are here. You don't have a purpose at all is what I think he is trying to say....

Evolution is not "by definition without purpose". Rather, it doesn't need to presuppose a purpose to work.

I believe in evolution, and I believe that I have a perfectly good purpose for existing: God appears to like people.

 

[RufusAtticus]

The accuracy of science cannot be determined by whatever political, philosophical, or emotional conclusions one might draw from it.

 

[LouisBooth]

no seebs, evolution is quite purposeless...that's the point..its random. *AGREES WITH RUF* that's why I said what I did in my first post.

 

[BioPooka]

Originally posted by BigJon
if evolution is true it basicly means your worthless, your life is pointless. Although some on here try to distance themselves from the big bang, its taught almost hand in hand with evolution, which if its true, it means you life is worthless due to the fact the big bang was an accident, yeah you just happen to be here cause this chance accident happened in other words you were created or designed with in purpose, so your worthless. However I believe the good Lord has a purpose for my as well as everyones life, cause God created us, He made and designed us for a purpose.

For evolutionist...... Go find an ink pen... look at it hard and think, man aint it amazing a simple little ink pen has more value than your life, cause it was designed for a purpose, your just here as an accident.

For creationist, Find God's will and grow in it.

For people who claim there Christians and yet believe in evolution, your barking up the wrong tree.

We do have a purpose. Like any other life form on this planet our purpose is the continuation of our species. The driving need to pass on our genetic legacy, our DNA. Genetic information is in competition with other genes to be passed on and accepted into new future generations. We are but vessels, flesh, blood and bone for that genetic information to be passed on. To allow life in some form to continue once we purselves are but distant memories and dusted skeletons.

 

[RufusAtticus]

Other than passing along our genes, any purpose we have in life is the one we give to ourselves.

 

[BioPooka]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Other than passing along our genes, any purpose we have in life is the one we give to ourselves.

Ohhhh, nice. Exactly.
My purpose in life is to learn. To grow. To experience. To pass on MY legacy.

I don't need to have been created by a God, a Spider or the twistings of a Rainbow Serpant travelling across the land to have those purposes.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
no seebs, evolution is quite purposeless...that's the point..its random.

Evolution, in and of itself, need not be purposeful. That doesn't mean it can't be used for a purpose.

It's certainly not "random", in a proper mathematical sense.

 

[elephanticity]

Originally posted by BigJon
if evolution is true it basicly means your worthless, your life is pointless. Although some on here try to distance themselves from the big bang, its taught almost hand in hand with evolution, which if its true, it means you life is worthless due to the fact the big bang was an accident, yeah you just happen to be here cause this chance accident happened in other words you were created or designed with in purpose, so your worthless. However I believe the good Lord has a purpose for my as well as everyones life, cause God created us, He made and designed us for a purpose.

For evolutionist...... Go find an ink pen... look at it hard and think, man aint it amazing a simple little ink pen has more value than your life, cause it was designed for a purpose, your just here as an accident.

For creationist, Find God's will and grow in it.

For people who claim there Christians and yet believe in evolution, your barking up the wrong tree.

Yet another theist believing that without God or a religious system there can be no morals, no ethics. However, we cherish our lives and the lives of others, maybe just because it is such a wonderful chance happening that we ARE here, despite adversity and opposing conditions. Then we can certainly start making rules that justify that cherishing.
If there is but one God, and one correct religion, then we, as a race, were able to create all the other religions, and the other moral creeds, and ethical traditions of fairy tale and myth. It is not hard to imagine a legal, moral and ethical system that doesn't mention God or mouth religious platitudes.
If you believe God is omnipotent, He is certainly capable of creating the world of today by packing it into the gas clouds of yesteryear. Then sitting back and watching until we were ready to see His signature on all the props.

There is a long tradition behind each and every one of us, and we are well past the 'random' mixing of chemicals that produced life. I am certainly not here by accident...my parents needed someone to do the chores.

 

[jon1101]

In response to the initial point of this thread:

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality."
-George Bernard Shaw

-jon

 

[Starscream]

not that I'd agree with this, but I did find it interesting that you're worth about..I think it was $3 all together chemically.

That sounds like and old wives tale if I've ever heard one. My sperm alone will get me more than $3 at my local sperm bank.

I doubt any of us here can claim to know what the real cash value of our chemistry is. Whatever it is though, it's the same whether you're a useless, ignorant slob or someone who dedicates some his time helping others in life.

 

[Blackhawk]

"Evolution, in and of itself, need not be purposeful. That doesn't mean it can't be used for a purpose. "

i think a better way of saying it Seebs might be that evolution does not speak about purpose. Evolution does not rule out God. it does not even try to answer that question. God can always be behind the natural procsses. Science just does not speak about God. It can't. Also it can't speak about purpose except in a scientific sense like Bio pooka's purpose.

but real purpose in life does nto come from science. It is a theological/ philosophical view.

If my purpose is just to spred my genes then I am no different at all then a rabbit. We are the same. And there is no reason to think otherwise unless there is a purpose.

blackhawk