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caravelair

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ForsakeAll2FollowJesus said:
(George Caylor, interview with a molecular biologist -- identified as "J" -- "The Biologist," Febr. 17, 2000, in The [Lynchburg, VA] Ledger ).

J says -. . . To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold onto two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures -- everything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living.

Caylor says-I hate to say it, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.

J says-The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind's worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.



here's my hypothesis of how this quote was invented...

- creationist need some way of explaining why 99.85% of biologists accept evolution.

- he believes it's a big conspiracy. he believes "it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself." and "All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures -- everything would stop" for any scientist who denies evolution.

- of course, he can't find a real biologist who would say either of those things, since they are both obviously false.

- creationist makes up a scientist "j" to put words into the mouth of. of course no one can verify any of this since "j" wishes to remain anonymous. how convenient!
 
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There are many more scientist like this.


As far as rejection of the evolutionary theory, just the Creation Research Society alone has over 700 advanced-degreed scientists as members (I’m the CRS webmaster). I know plenty more who are not members but are YEC. This doesn’t even account for the OECs or IDers, which probably represents a much greater number. Just in my own community I know plenty of scientists who know the neo-Darwinian theory is wrong, they just don’t talk about it because, why risk your job? Yes, there is still a majority of scientists who believe evolution, either because they want to despite the evidence, or the many years of brainwashing. But there is a significant minority of scientists who have rejected neo-Darwinism, including Nobel Laureates. Are there any Nobel laureates who believe in a flat earth, or claim Jesus never existed?

Finally, there has not been a single useful discovery of science that required belief in NeoDarwinism. In fact it has done the opposite, created bad science that led to bad decisions (i.e. premature tonsil removal). I’ve talked to scientists in a variety of fields, and they all say the same thing – belief in evolution doesn’t help them do their job. In other words, finding oil in a formation doesn’t rely on the evolution theory. Sequencing genomes doesn’t rely on evolutionary theory. Creating medicines, identifying viruses, identifying fault lines, etc, etc. Evolutionary theory is a joke and plenty of scientists recognize it, but most don’t speak out because it is such a dearly-held religion of the secular scientific community and they don’t want to lose their funding, jobs, etc.

Sincerely,
Fred Williams


From:
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/guestbook_data/guestbook_page27.htm
 
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I believe it has been shown (maybe even to you) how evolution has helped science.

I find it so amazing that so many scientists "Know" evolution is wrong, yet no one wants to talk about it because they will lose their job. Seems strange to pass up such an opertunity to make your name known in the scientific world, and win a nobel prize. Unless of course, they "know" that their beliefs are based on preconcieved opinions and are not science. Hmmm. :)
 
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Arikay said:
I believe it has been shown (maybe even to you) how evolution has helped science.
No. Evos constantly assert that evolution helps with all the things that Williams mentioned, but they ae never able to back it up.
Arikay said:
I find it so amazing that so many scientists "Know" evolution is wrong, yet no one wants to talk about it because they will lose their job. Seems strange to pass up such an opertunity to make your name known in the scientific world, and win a nobel prize. Unless of course, they "know" that their beliefs are based on preconcieved opinions and are not science. Hmmm. :)
This has already been asnwered.
Yes, there is still a majority of scientists who believe evolution, either because they want to despite the evidence, or the many years of brainwashing.
 
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Then here you go, a quick post by Winace about how Evolution is used in biology,
http://www.christianforums.com/t97010-real-world-applications-of-evolutionary-biology.html


Despite what evidence? Again, if there is so much evidence around why doesn't at least one scientist write a paper about it and win the nobel prize? Oh yeah, I forgot, the giant world conspiracy that is brain washing people to accept evolution. :D Or it could be that this evidence is only valid for creationism when you come to the conclusion "creationism is right no matter what." first. You do know that the CRS (among others) requires all members to agree that creationism and a young earth are absolute truth before they are allowed to publish a paper in the CRS journal. I often find it ironic since it is creationists who often claim scientists are being dogmatic. :D


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No. Evos constantly assert that evolution helps with all the things that Williams mentioned, but they ae never able to back it up.

This has already been asnwered.
 
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