Evolution vs. The Laws of Physics

[Lyle]

not to convert anyone to anything or to say that christianity is not christianity, but check church history about gospels (which may have been more directly influenced by Jesus than others) being voted out of being included in the bible and then burned....
talk about chapters missing...

Yes, but the Bible wasn't put together till the 1600s. There were portions that were not put in by King james, and under his rule. They have been left out for a reason, or to put it in brief

 

[Lyle]

Jet Black - I'm reading up on the Big bang and studing from
Wikipedia

 

[pureone]

Yes, but the Bible wasn't put together till the 1600s. There were portions that were not put in by King james, and under his rule. They have been left out for a reason, or to put it in brief

are you sure about that date? maybe you need to go back a little farther. I'm not talking about the KJV.

 

[Lyle]

Oh alright, I was reffering to the Bible as we know it today... but didn't William Tydale first put it together, or was he the first to print it?

 

[pureone]

Oh alright, I was reffering to the Bible as we know it today... but didn't William Tydale first put it together, or was he the first to print it?

You need to do some reseach on a few councils....

 

[ForeRunner]

If memory serves me correctly, the Bible was cannonized between 100 and 200 C.E.

 

[ForeRunner]

Islam: What you have, or may not have known about it

An article I wrote

I have read, and studied Islam and the Qu'ran in a university setting. The post in your link makes about as much sense, and represents the topic you are trying to discuss, in a way that almost makes the OP look good, almost.

(Sorry, that was a bit off topic)

 

[pureone]

If memory serves me correctly, the Bible was cannonized between 100 and 200 C.E.

Great, an answer from an athiest . Why do those that have lost the faith (if you were Christian to start) know these things? I am asking him how and by whom. I just want to show that he shouldn't pick too hard at another religion if he doesn't know the history of his own...Isuppose this belongs in apologetics, but he brought this stuff up....

 

[LorentzHA]

I think it may be the fact that there are so many MAJOR errors with the History, Theology, Science, and the fact the portions of it are missing... Even whole chapter have been eaten by dogs....

OK, I had a mouth full of water when I read this and I had two choices, either to choke or blow it out on the computer, so I am still kind of coughing. Sorry Lyle, It may be that I am grossly misinformed about Islam, which could be, I was part of Christianity for a long time and in no way consider myself an expert in that so I will make no claims about Islam..but DOGS Lyle? A friend of mine told me their are many books that never made it into the Christian Bible, same Dog Lyle? This Dog sure gets around! I am wondering if he is the same one that ate kids homework in grade school or that Dog's son?

 

[LorentzHA]

MY GOD Lyle!! I just read your paper on Islam. I don't know what to say. I felt kind of bad after I read it. Lyle, so the Christian Bible has a nice view of slavery?

I thought your paper had a prejudiced undercurrent to it. You say this Allah contradicts himself?? Could be, but, there are no contradictions in the Bible??? If you cannot find them, let me know, I can point you in the right direction. Your God is a God of love huh? Decimating whole cities (if you take it literally) and at one point drowning the population of Earth!! (I guess that was out of Love though, huh?) Come on Lyle!! Islam spun out of Chritianity and many of their ideas come from The old testament (Tha I do know). Women are always not revered in the Bible Lyle, you may want to read it again. Lyle from a scholarly perspective I think it is perfecly fine to research another religion and write about it but to pass judjment on it by comparing it to your own religion and by that alone is not fair, at all (in my opinion-you should judge things on their own merit. It may be right for those who practice it. Act Utilitarianism, comes to mind.)

I am certainly not an expert on Islam nor Chrisitanity but the delivery left something to be desired.

Remember, Abraham was the father of 3 faiths and Islam was one of them. I think all religions have good components and bad components.

Question: When examining another religion do you go in with an open mind or do you begin your research with the mindset that it is no good and dumb? Just curious

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

Bah! I missed this over the holidays. I would just like to add in my 2 cents towards the OP and what seems to be the past 11 pages of nonsense.

..... Are you serious?..... I am reminded of the prhase "religiously handicapped" that I heard not long ago in general apologetics.

 

[Data]

I've been away for a week, but one thing.

"Show me a web-page, or a book, that would prove such a theory. Because I have never heard of that one...."

You've honestly never heard of plate techtonics!?
I feel sad for Americas school system.

 

[pureone]

I've been away for a week, but one thing.

"Show me a web-page, or a book, that would prove such a theory. Because I have never heard of that one...."

You've honestly never heard of plate techtonics!?
I feel sad for Americas school system.

Don't cry for it... It's already dead.

 

[lucaspa]

Thousands of years of human thought, debate, logic, reasoning and religion; and, in all that time only one fundamental truth has arisen: that is, the truth is entirely subjective. Please, someone disagree and "prove" me right

Is the earth flat? Have we proved the earth is not flat? Yes.

Is the earth the center of the solar system? Have we proved that the earth is not the center of the solar system? Yes.

Is protein the hereditary material? Have we proved that protein is not the hereditary material? Yes.

Deductive reasoning used on objective, intersubjective data gives you objective truth. True statements cannot have false consequences. That's not subjective, but objective.

The problem is that "prove" is used for positive statements. People forget that the negative statements are also "proved".

 

[lucaspa]

People like Lyle (and Hovind) don't believe so much in the inerrancy of the bible as much as they believe in the inerrancy of their interpretations. This sort of elitist mindset is counterproductive to spreading their faith and they dont even know it.

It depends on what faith they are spreading. If you refer to Christianity, then no. But if you are referring to the worship of them then yes, believing in the inerrancy of their interpretations is very productive to spreading the faith that they are gods.

 

[lucaspa]

I think it may be the fact that there are so many MAJOR errors with the History, Theology, Science, and the fact the portions of it are missing... Even whole chapter have been eaten by dogs....

LOL! Pot, meet kettle. Everything you said applies equally well to Christianity or even more so. Whole books were burned in Christianity. Hundreds of them. Around 500 AD after the canon had been set at 4 gospels, one bishop complained that there were still over 400 gospels circulating in his bishopric! What happened to all these? Burned.

Look up Infant Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Peter
Cross Gospel

These are all that is left of a once bounty of gospels.

Now, look up Buccailism in Islam. This is a movement purporting to the scientific accuracy of the Quran.

Of course, around here we never say that the Bible is lacking in scientific accuracy, do we?

 

[lucaspa]

Islam: What you have, or may not have known about it

An article I wrote

You call that an article? WOW! I've been calling mine "posts".

It makes you OP on this thread look good. I didn't think that was possible. I particularly choked on that part of "God is love" and Allah can't know love because he is one. You do realize that you destroyed monotheism with that paragraph on God being 3 different entities, don't you? As well as mangling Trinity beyond recognition.

Don't take this wrong, but perhaps you ought to be quiet until you've done some study of Christian theology. With friends like you, Christianity doesn't need any enemies.