Evolution vs. Creationism

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Humans have stopped our evolution, because of the lack of natural selection.

And you know that humans are no longer subject to reproduction selection because????

I'm not so sure about this. Some conjecture I've heard has predicted that humans will eventually only have four toes, due to the constriction of shoes. This is evidenced by the shrinking size of both the small toe and of the nail of the small toe.

To my understanding the small toe isn't terribly important for balance and has been reducing for a while now. I've seen a list (relatively short) of various anatomical parts that show some signs of degenerating. (I think that is the right term.)

Another theory holds that human brains/heads will keep getting bigger and bigger. Though I don't see how this is possible if we want to keep having births out of the birth canal.

Quite

 

[Tomk80]

Another theory holds that human brains/heads will keep getting bigger and bigger. Though I don't see how this is possible if we want to keep having births out of the birth canal.

Maybe women will also evolve wider hips, to accomodate for that?

 

[Tomk80]

ok, here my take on teh whole thing.

So suposedly we evoled from ape like cretures right? Because the skulls we have found are shaped differently. Ever noticed that and African American has a larger jaw than someone who came from England?, and different size of the actul skull? I can honestly believe that we were created by the One-Almighty God, but humans have "evolved". We have different skin colors based on our surroundings, different bodily features based on what we eat and where we live.And I simply connot fathom how some random explosion created EVERY SINGLE PERSON with different finger print. Even identicle twins have different finger prints

So humans obviouly didn't look exactly as we do now when we were created. And there is scientific and Biblical truth too the theory that the earth was one great cotanent at one point. Now the splitting of the contenent would dramiticly change the the climate, the plants that grow there and naturly the animals and people that lived on it.

that is my take on this whole issue.

So indeed humans looked different from humans today. Decidedly different. Their skulls looked so different that they look more like that of a chimp than that of a present day human. Coincidence? Don't think so.

And with a 'random explosion' I take it you refer to the big bang? Well, since we have no idea what came before the big bang, we have no idea whether that something was random or not, do we? So your point doesn't really hold up.

 

[Rat_bytes]

And with a 'random explosion' I take it you refer to the big bang?

No, she doesn't mean the big bang, she's talking about genetics. This is a person who was obviously never taught about it.
KTSkater, the "random explosion" you are talking about is the uniqueness each person has due to a unique DNA code. The reason every person has a different fingerprint is because the code for their fingerprint is unique. Even identical twins have certain genes that are different, despite being derived from the same zygote. I can't explain it very well in this little quick reply box, but that's the general gist of it.
Rest assured that there's nothing mysterious or magical about fingerprints, it can all be explained by a DNA code.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

ok, here my take on teh whole thing.

So suposedly we evoled from ape like cretures right? Because the skulls we have found are shaped differently.

Species..................brain size.......date of fossils
homo sapiens sapiens 1350 cc ...... present-120,000
homo sapiens archaic 1200 cc........ 500,000-200,000
homo erectus ............900-1000 cc 300,000 -1.8 million years ago
homo habilis ..............500-800 cc.. 1.5 - 2.4 million years ago
Australopithecus ........375-550 cc.. 2 - 4 million years ago
pan (chimpanzee).... ~350-390 cc

So no, this is not about a small change in the size of a jaw or trivial differences in skull shapes.

There is also the evidence of molecular genetics which can be read about
at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/ . One example given there concerns the gene that in most mammals results in the production of vitamin C. Very briefly, monkeys, apes and humans share a non-functional version of that gene, and the commonality of the errors that accumulated in that gene is greater for species that appear physiologically to be more closely related, i.e. the errors look just as they would if we evolved from a common ancestor.

 

[Tomk80]

No, she doesn't mean the big bang, she's talking about genetics.

Ah, I misread. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[kingreaper]

ok, here my take on teh whole thing.

So suposedly we evoled from ape like cretures right?

Yes

Because the skulls we have found are shaped differently. [/QUOTE]No, one of the many pieces of evidence is the continuum of fossils going from apelike to human

Ever noticed that and African American has a larger jaw than someone who came from England?, and different size of the actul skull?

Not all of them, black people have many different skull sizes etc. I know africans with very small heads, very angular heads, heads almost exactly the same shape as the average caucasians etc. africans seem to have more variability than any other area of the same size

I can honestly believe that we were created by the One-Almighty God,

Well I think that makes you cinsane, but I think everyones insane

but humans have "evolved". We have different skin colors based on our surroundings, different bodily features based on what we eat and where we live.

It's good that you understand those things at least

And I simply connot fathom how some random explosion created EVERY SINGLE PERSON with different finger print. Even identicle twins have different finger prints

that is because fingerprints are caused by varying environments in the womb, and not solely by genetics

What's the explosion bit about?

So humans obviouly didn't look exactly as we do now when we were created. And there is scientific and Biblical truth too the theory that the earth was one great cotanent at one point. Now the splitting of the contenent would dramiticly change the the climate, the plants that grow there and naturly the animals and people that lived on it.

that is my take on this whole issue.

Well people didn't exist in the time of pangea (unless some dinosaurs were much smarter than we think) but otherwise its alright

 

[Rat_bytes]

Hey, I just looked at the atheist icon and saw that it's a brain. Heh. That's really saying something.

 

[USincognito]

Hey, I just looked at the atheist icon and saw that it's a brain. Heh. That's really saying something.

Actually it's an empty head...

 

[ProtestantDan]

Actually it's an empty head...

Aww, come now, don't be a pessimist! Is the skull half-empty or half-full?

Think positive!

 

[william jay schroeder]

Hey, I just looked at the atheist icon and saw that it's a brain. Heh. That's really saying something.

you notice its black and not connected to anything which means it aint going anywere. just being funny so dont take it to seriously

 

[Rat_bytes]

How DARE you, sir? I challenge you to a DUEL!

 

[staugustine68]

Here is my take, If we both was in a room and we heard a BIG BOOM, and you asked me what caused that, and I replied "nothing, it just happened".
I doubt you would find that acceptable.

 

[Tomk80]

Here is my take, If we both was in a room and we heard a BIG BOOM, and you asked me what caused that, and I replied "nothing, it just happened".
I doubt you would find that acceptable.

Fortunately, nobody is saying it is just happening. We are just saying we don't know what caused it. Now that would be perfectly acceptable and when looking at the big bang, that is what most scientists are saying. We don't know. We have some guesses, but in fact we don't know what caused it.

 

[JohnR7]

Maybe women will also evolve wider hips, to accomodate for that?

If evolution were true, then all women would have wide hips and they would not need to do c sections. By now all the women with narrow hips would have been selected out. Either they would have died in child birth or the baby would have died and only the wide hipped women would have been selected.

 

[staugustine68]

Fortunately, nobody is saying it is just happening. We are just saying we don't know what caused it. Now that would be perfectly acceptable and when looking at the big bang, that is what most scientists are saying. We don't know. We have some guesses, but in fact we don't know what caused it.

Get this, The DNA is encoded with purely and simply, written infomation ( any scientist will tell you this.) We use a 26 letter alphabet in English. In DNA, there is a 4 letter chemical alphabet, whose letters combine in various sequences to form all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell. Each cell in the human body contains more infomation then 30 volumes of the Encyclopaedia Brittannica. For me, that's reason enough to believe this isn't the random product of misguided nature, but it's the unmistakable design of an Intelligent Designer.

 

[JohnR7]

Hey, I just looked at the atheist icon and saw that it's a brain. Heh. That's really saying something.

Do people really look at all those little icons?

 

[Ondoher]

Get this, The DNA is encoded with purely and simply, written infomation ( any scientist will tell you this.) We use a 26 letter alphabet in English. In DNA, there is a 4 letter chemical alphabet, whose letters combine in various sequences to form all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell. Each cell in the human body contains more infomation then 30 volumes of the Encyclopaedia Brittannica. For me, that's reason enough to believe this isn't the random product of misguided nature, but it's the unmistakable design of an Intelligent Designer.

Do you know what a false dichotomy is?

 

[Tomk80]

Get this, The DNA is encoded with purely and simply, written infomation ( any scientist will tell you this.) We use a 26 letter alphabet in English. In DNA, there is a 4 letter chemical alphabet, whose letters combine in various sequences to form all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell. Each cell in the human body contains more infomation then 30 volumes of the Encyclopaedia Brittannica. For me, that's reason enough to believe this isn't the random product of misguided nature, but it's the unmistakable design of an Intelligent Designer.

For me your last two posts indicate that maybe, just maybe, you should first study what you are talking about before making any judgements about it.
First correction, although mutations are random, evolution is not random. Evolution is the product of random mutations and natural selection. The last is anything but random. Random mutations only provide the variety which natural selection can select from. Evolution is anything but random.

Furthermore, as Ondoher already pointed out, even if evolution is not the right answer, this doesn't mean that hence intelligent design is the right answer. You're now trying to form a conclusion by discarding something else. This is a fallacy. That you discarded another option at best means that you do not know what really happened, unless you've got something to back up your intelligent design conclusion.

 

[Tomk80]

If evolution were true, then all women would have wide hips and they would not need to do c sections. By now all the women with narrow hips would have been selected out. Either they would have died in child birth or the baby would have died and only the wide hipped women would have been selected.

Wrong, since mutations would produce women with both wider and smaller hips. Since most births still go naturally, apparantly something went right. Now, if there would have been an intelligent designer, no women would need c sections, since he/she/it would never be so stupid to design a birth channel that doesn't fit (you'd expect). Hence, no natural design, but mutation + selection.