Evolution vs. Creationism

[Arikay]

A organization of scientists who are christian,
http://www.asa3.org

And not one of them take the Bible at its word. Right?

 

[InnerPhyre]

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So which of these skulls would you like to contest? Which are human and which are ape?

Funny that this pic gets ignored once again. Perhaps we should just keep bumping it until someone answers you.

 

[USincognito]

Not one expert in the field has stepped up, presented proof of their credentials and effectively refuted such.

Where are their learned papers published in what relevent publications respected by the professionals in the field?

All that has been presented is biased opinion

Man! I am buring through irony meters this month...

So Project Steve is over 500 now? Cool!

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Pulling a few things together a bit...

If, OTOH, you had an interplaner transferral of material from hell to the bones of growing half-demon, then that would call into question the purely spirit nature of demons...

Does not that assumption then also call into question the Immaculate Conception?

Everything God does Satan mirror images. And are we able to recognize the counterfeit when we see it?

Genesis 6:2, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

(ol' Mormon Joe ain't got nothing on this bunch!)

Genesis 6:4, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."


Comments?

 

[Arikay]

Yes, evidence for these giants.

(or is asking you for evidence pointless?)

Pulling a few things together a bit...



Genesis 6:2, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Genesis 6:4, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."


Comments?

 

[Pilgrim 33]

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

Yes, evidence for these giants.

The Bible stands on its own; you either accept it or reject it.

(or is asking you for evidence pointless?)

Of course it is!

Evidence?
Haven't you figured out where all of the humanist religion's evolutionary monkey bones came from yet?

Haven't you figured out why after all this time the humanist religion's evolutionary theory has not gone from theory to science, from fiction to fact?

They been looking in the wrong place. The answer isn't in the earth, it's in the Bible.

But, then, that's part of The Lie people unwittingly buy into.

The Lie: A Mystery Worth Unraveling:

Genesis 10:8-9, "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD."

Genesis 11:1, "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

Genesis 11:4, "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth."

Genesis 11:6-9, "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."

 

[twenty1blakjack]

Yes, evidence for these giants.

The Bible stands on its own; you either accept it or reject it.

So just some book that contains false information must be considered evidence? (Nahum 1:3- Clouds are water vapor, not dust)

 

[Pilgrim 33]

(Nahum 1:3- Clouds are water vapor, not dust)

Nahum 1:3, "The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet."

 

[william jay schroeder]

So just some book that contains false information must be considered evidence? (Nahum 1:3- Clouds are water vapor, not dust)

show proof of saying its full of false information i believe all that is written is not in guestion or not proven either way.show example of false information.

 

[Arikay]

I would agree with William there, the bible hasn't been shown to be false, just certain interpretations of the bible. And you can't discount the possible truth in the entire book just because it got one thing wrong, especially the bible, since it's written by many different authors.

 

[UniversalAxis]

I was wondering:

If Adam was created from sand, then shouldn't human beings be Silica-based life forms and not carbon based?

What do you think?

 

[Tomk80]

Not one expert in the field has stepped up, presented proof of their credentials and effectively refuted such.

Where are their learned papers published in what relevent publications respected by the professionals in the field?

All that has been presented is biased opinion

Where have there relevant publications been published? Hmmm...
You might wish to check any of the following magazines:

• Science
• Nature
• Genetics
• American Journal of Human Genetics
• Molecular Genetics and Genomics
• Cellular and Molecular Life Sciences
• International Journal of Molecular Medicin
• Journal of Clinical Microbiology
• Microbiology
• Current opinion in Neurobiology
• Toxicon
• European Journal of Immunology
• Journal of Experimental Zoology part B
• Developental Dynamics
• American Journal of Primatology
• Human Mutation

Now, this is from a search on 'evolution' on Pubmed, which is a special search engine for journals in the medical and life sciences profession. The search alone gave 150633 articles which mention the word evolution. I only looked at the first 60 articles, of which approximately 40 actually look at evolution specifically. All articles confirm evolution and are only a small fraction of the articles written about the subject in 2004 alone. Journals which are naturally excluded from this search (because of the search enigine used) are for example archeological and historical journals. So this might give you an impression about the wealth of research on the topic, research which the (over) 500 Steves of the list provided subscribe to.

 

[UniversalAxis]

Genesis 2:19 "Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air..."

Genesis 2:7 "the Lord God formed the man from the man from the dust of the ground..."

 

[Pilgrim 33]

I would agree with William there, the bible hasn't been shown to be false, just certain interpretations of the bible.

Not just certain but ALL interpretations, contemporarilly viewed that would include potentially all six billion people presently on the planet.

The issue at hand is it truly six billion interpretations are viable or is there only one true and right interpretation, God's?

And you can't discount the possible truth in the entire book just because it got one thing wrong, especially the bible, since it's written by many different authors.

Again, It, is not wrong, only our interpretation, our understanding of what God is saying is in error.

Too often we be too busy talking to God we forget to shut up long enough to hear Him when He speaks softly to us.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

I was wondering:

If Adam was created from sand, then shouldn't human beings be Silica-based life forms and not carbon based?

What do you think?

Sounds like a Star Trek fan.

 

[ProtestantDan]

TE (Theistic Evolution)

Well, you can't deny that there is a plethora of evidence for evolution. The fossil record is impressive, with the most recent example being the discovery on the island of Flores in the Pacific. I consider myself Christian, but to look over all of the evidence and disregard it I would consider folly. There is no need for "sacrifium intellectum" in my opinion. I have been taught that just accepting things with blind faith does not make one a better follower. The question for me is when does hominid become human? I tend to believe that the change is made at Cro-Magnon because of the evidence of their spiritualism. Flower pollen has been discovered in the graves, pointing to the concept of placing flowers and other items in burial ceremonies. If evolution did occur, why couldn't God set it in motion?

 

[Bushido216]

28 reputation and one post. Curious!

Cogent points all. I would say that H. sapien became separate when they could no longer reproduce with the parent populations.

 

[ProtestantDan]

From what I have gathered it is unknown if what is considered modern man and what is Cro-Magnon were able to breed with one another. If so, they would have passed the Test of Speciation and therefore would need to be the same species. The Law of Competitive Exclusion did take place, however, as evidence by humans as we now know them being the only hominids around. One theory is humans had an improved speech mechanism.

 

[UniversalAxis]

From: Pilgrim33
Sounds like a Star Trek fan.

I thought that the comment was pretty funny, but, there is a question there.
I have studied some Geology, and they say that the most abundant element on the surface of the earth is Silica. 90% of the content of all sand is silica. I was just wondering: If man was made from sand and dirt, shouldn't we be silica based, and not carbon based?

 

[Bushido216]

From what I have gathered it is unknown if what is considered modern man and what is Cro-Magnon were able to breed with one another. If so, they would have passed the Test of Speciation and therefore would need to be the same species. The Law of Competitive Exclusion did take place, however, as evidence by humans as we now know them being the only hominids around. One theory is humans had an improved speech mechanism.

Well, them, and their children, and their children.

Plus, they would have wanted to, and had their breeding cycles in sync.

Beyond that, possibly.