Evolution vs. Creationism

[Kent Hovind]

If People Want To Believe They Came From A Rock They Have No Right To Do That In My School!

 

[Clem is Me]

If People Want To Believe They Came From A Rock They Have No Right To Do That In My School!

You have a school?

 

[Kent Hovind]

You have a school?

YES IT IS I-DID-NOT-COME-FROM-A-ROCK HIGH SCHOOL

 

[Clem is Me]

YES IT IS I-DID-NOT-COME-FROM-A-ROCK HIGH SCHOOL

Did you name it?

 

[Kent Hovind]

Did you name it?

YES I NAMED IT BECAUSE I DID NOT COME FROM A ROCK!

 

[Clem is Me]

YES I NAMED IT BECAUSE I DID NOT COME FROM A ROCK!

Not even the ROCK OF AGES?

 

[william jay schroeder]

How do you deal with the trnsitional animals that are not found, every thing found as been fully something, so animals would have to ,like a dinisaure lays an egg, and a bird or duck comes out. with out the transitional animals its a tough sell.

 

[Blackmarch]

The sun moves away from the earth at the rate of 5 miles per hour. If we were to go back just 1 million years, the sun would be so hot that the earth, and all it's inhabitants would be dead, and we wouldn't be here.

The earth also goes towards the sun during the year too, also conditions don't always remain exactly the same throughout time.


Somewhat off subject here;
Has anyone tried using a Gravitation program that lets you simulate Objects of different mass, inertia, and etc.. and make a stable solar system?

I have, and it's freaking hard (not that I'm an expert or anything)... the best I could get was 4 objects orbiting a High mass object (which would represent a star) in the same orbit at equidistant points from each other, moving at the same speed and direction...

Let alone 9+ major objects all on different orbits, plus all the minor ones

 

[mikeynov]

How do you deal with the trnsitional animals that are not found, every thing found as been fully something, so animals would have to ,like a dinisaure lays an egg, and a bird or duck comes out. with out the transitional animals its a tough sell.

Start by reading this.

I encourage you to read some introductory material because your question betrays your ignorance in this matter. The sort of transitionals you are talking about would most certainly falsify evolutionary theory.

Drop your attitude and stop pretending you are aware of what evidence does or does not exist within evolutionary biology. Read the above, come back with questions and some modesty, and you may get somewhere.

 

[william jay schroeder]

Start by reading this.

I encourage you to read some introductory material because your question betrays your ignorance in this matter. The sort of transitionals you are talking about would most certainly falsify evolutionary theory.

Drop your attitude and stop pretending you are aware of what evidence does or does not exist within evolutionary biology. Read the above, come back with questions and some modesty, and you may get somewhere.

I asked the guestion of how do you deal with it, is this statement a exsample. Or do you have a reasoning to why there are no transitionals. I saked because this is the main problem you have in proving your theory. I am just curious as to what might be a come back to such a guestion.

 

[Hydra009]

Or do you have a reasoning to why there are no transitionals.

Many transitional fossils have been found. Creationists just dismiss them in favor of what they consider a transitional to be - skunkopotamus, which would falsify the theory of evolution.

The recurring claim of "no transitionals!" is dealt with here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

 

[william jay schroeder]

Many transitional fossils have been found. Creationists just dismiss them in favor of what they consider a transitional to be - skunkopotamus, which would falsify the theory of evolution.

The recurring claim of "no transitionals!" is dealt with here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

I read this and see it speaks of adaptation and or like kinds. You can find most of these sutle changes among animals and humans today. and animals of same kind with many varietes of species. And you have to assume that there dating process is acuarte, which is generaly not. They human species one is very debatable, for the fact they have tried this alot and it always turns to being a type of monkey or gorille and or human deformaties. If you dug up say bones of the elaphant man you could assume he was i transitional form, no matter how old he was. I found the page a little weak.

 

[mikeynov]

I read this and see it speaks of adaptation and or like kinds. You can find most of these sutle changes among animals and humans today. and animals of same kind with many varietes of species. And you have to assume that there dating process is acuarte, which is generaly not. They human species one is very debatable, for the fact they have tried this alot and it always turns to being a type of monkey or gorille and or human deformaties. If you dug up say bones of the elaphant man you could assume he was i transitional form, no matter how old he was. I found the page a little weak.

Why even pretend to know what you're talking about?

Everything you're saying is basically wrong, so it's hard to know where to begin.

1) Dating methods are accurate if used properly

2) Ignoring transitionals doesn't make them not exist

3) Saying that all human ancestor fossil finds have been falsified is blatantly false

 

[kingreaper]

How do you deal with the trnsitional animals that are not found, every thing found as been fully something, so animals would have to ,like a dinisaure lays an egg, and a bird or duck comes out. with out the transitional animals its a tough sell.

What you don't get is the transitionals can be both fully themselves and transitional

You have a line 1 inch long

a line 2 inches long

and a line 1.5 inches long

The line 1.5 inches long, is fully a 1.5 inch long line, but is intermediate between a 1 inch line, and a 2 inch line

 

[kingreaper]

I read this and see it speaks of adaptation and or like kinds. You can find most of these sutle changes among animals and humans today. and animals of same kind with many varietes of species. And you have to assume that there dating process is acuarte, which is generaly not. They human species one is very debatable, for the fact they have tried this alot and it always turns to being a type of monkey or gorille and or human deformaties. If you dug up say bones of the elaphant man you could assume he was i transitional form, no matter how old he was. I found the page a little weak.

The dating methods are accurate if used right

The transitionals from chimp-human common ancestor to human have not been proven fakes

The elephant mans fossil would show many signs of malformity, would not be part of a smooth gradient between any two forms, and would probably be rejected on the grounds that it couldn't have been reproduictivelyt successful (the elephant man would not have lived very long in a tribe of elephant men)

 

[icebreaker]

Many transitional fossils have been found. Creationists just dismiss them in favor of what they consider a transitional to be - skunkopotamus, which would falsify the theory of evolution.

The recurring claim of "no transitionals!" is dealt with here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

even though talkorgins does show numerous possible transitional forms wither they are real evidence or not we cannot ignore that they talk about numerous gaps in the record throughout the main points in Part 1
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html

 

[DMA]

hi
can someone provide me with a link that in really simple laymen terms, explains to me the basic theory of evolution. I hear all this techie stuff, but right now can someone give me the basics.

All I know is that evolution talks of the world starting with a bang etc.. then what? and whats this thing about us evolving, I thought we had stopped evolving?

please.. I need to figure this out. any help would be appreciated.

PM me if you need to.

 

[icebreaker]

I would say this is a basic site that may help you understand some things of Evolution:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Most of the Evolutionists here get information from here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/

there is another webpage that I am forgeting that comes up alot but dont remember

 

[DMA]

I would say this is a basic site that may help you understand some things of Evolution:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Most of the Evolutionists here get information from here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/

there is another webpage that I am forgeting that comes up alot but dont remember

thanks.. will check it out. to be honest not much makes sense to me anymore. best to just stick to what you think makes sense to you.

right now,neither creation or evolution makes sense. I will check it out though.

 

[Bushido216]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/

and

http://wiki.cotch.net/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page