Evolution true or false?

[jesusfreak3786]

How do poeple feel about this. I think it is foundless myself.

 

[savvy]

I think it's a good theory. I mean, there's all kinds of evidence for it. I don't believe everything evolved from a single celled organism, though. I think God initiated it and it was all part of the divine plan!

 

[OneManSows]

Personally, I believe in the appearance of age creation theory. My bible say God created Adam a man. Not a boy, but a man. He says of Eve she is a woman, and speaks of marriage. They appeared to have age, but had none. So why can't the earth have characteristics that cause it to appear older than it really is? Why couldn't the earth appear to be millions or billions of years old, the day it was created? Ah the wisdom of God that confounds the natural man.

 

[seebs]

I believe this is the wrong forum.

 

[aeonian_mist]

How do poeple feel about this. I think it is foundless myself.

As an atheist, I put a premium on empirical support. From science's perspective, Evolution had been the best thing thing for Biology. Evolution unfies previously fragmented ideas and observations coherently. It's explantory power is immense- things makes sense when explained with Evolution. The theory is rock-solid. It's supported by evidence by scientific diciplines across the board.

 

[aeonian_mist]

I believe this is the wrong forum.

Heh, it's different environment for this type of a discussion. Less anti-creation predators prowling about. =P

 

[seebs]

Heh, it's different environment for this type of a discussion. Less anti-creation predators prowling about. =P

Less truth, you mean?

Seriously, this is ridiculous. Trying to have a discussion in the wrong forum to avoid the experts in the field is just silly.

The empirical evidence says that evolution happened. Why? Well, I think 'cuz God did things that way. YMMV. But the empirical evidence is straightforward enough.

 

[kedaman]

the evolution theory eplains as much as why i get 6 when i throw one die, i.e. not at all.

 

[seebs]

the evolution theory eplains as much as why i get 6 when i throw one die, i.e. not at all.

Simply false.

Okay, I'll give you a free example.

My knees are creaky and bad, because I'm in my 30s. But they work okay for bipedal motion... But they're not really perfectly suited to it.

My cat's knees aren't creaky, but they're tolerably well adapted to quadrupedal motion. He can walk on his back legs for about a foot, if he really has to.

Obviously, we have very different legs.

So why do we have exactly the same joint structure?

Because we were built from the same model.

If God were just poofing us into existence, this would be shoddy workmanship, at best. But if it's evolution, it makes sense, and we know why it happened, and can even guess about when.

 

[kedaman]

So why do we have exactly the same joint structure?

Because we were built from the same model.

But is not the joint structure the model?

 

[OneManSows]

Let me add, that evolution requires an old earth. However, science tells us that the earth is young. Not enough space dust has been collected for the earth to be here as long as required for the old age earth evolution myths to be true. There are a myriad of other reasons, that's just one.

 

[ForeRunner]

Let me add, that evolution requires an old earth. However, science tells us that the earth is young. Not enough space dust has been collected for the earth to be here as long as required for the old age earth evolution myths to be true. There are a myriad of other reasons, that's just one.

Ever heard of a little thing called weather?

Scatter some sand on the street in front of your house, see how long it stays there.

 

[OneManSows]

Yes, I have heard of the weather, and I've also heard of the earth's crust. The amount of accumulated space dust on top of the crust of the earth prevents any old age earth myth from being true.

 

[ForeRunner]

But is not the joint structure the model?

Yep, that is the point.

We have the same joint structure as animals that walk on four legs, and it is very ill-suited to walking on two legs.

Which leaves us with two main options...

either our ancestors walked on four legs and we adapted to walk on two, working with what we had, or...

Whomever designed us to walk on two legs with improper joints is completely incompetent. The question is now, are you calling God dumb?

 

[ForeRunner]

Yes, I have heard of the weather, and I've also heard of the earth's crust. The amount of accumulated space dust on top of the crust of the earth prevents any old age earth myth from being true.

Crack open an 8th grade earth science book and read about the wonderful world of plate tectonics. Pay special attention to subduction, the process of the earth's crust being melted down and turned into a liquid (including all the space dust that should supposedly be on top of the crust).

Oh, and also look up the iridium layer while you are at it.

 

[OneManSows]

I will allow that I'm not expert in this area, and don't have the resources at my fingertips to respond directly to your statement. That said, name one documented change of species. Just one. Show where any living creature changed from one type of creature to another (in real life, not on star trek), other than your mere speculation. Will you allow that the appearance of age creation theory answers every last one of your claims? If not, please state which claims it wouldn't answer, and why.

 

[kedaman]

Yep, that is the point.

We have the same joint structure as animals that walk on four legs, and it is very ill-suited to walking on two legs.

Which leaves us with two main options...

either our ancestors walked on four legs and we adapted to walk on two, working with what we had, or...

Whomever designed us to walk on two legs with improper joints is completely incompetent. The question is now, are you calling God dumb?

Nope

May I ask you: are you not arguing from a teleological point of view, assuming that we, are meant to walk on two legs?

 

[ForeRunner]

Nope

May I ask you: are you not arguing from a teleological point of view, assuming that we, are meant to walk on two legs?

I don't quite follow, are you saying we were meant to walk on four appendages?

 

[ForeRunner]

I will allow that I'm not expert in this area, and don't have the resources at my fingertips to respond directly to your statement. That said, name one documented change of species. Just one. Show where any living creature changed from one type of creature to another (in real life, not on star trek), other than your mere speculation. Will you allow that the appearance of age creation theory answers every last one of your claims? If not, please state which claims it wouldn't answer, and why.

A real live example of specitation in North American Salamanders, you can take a walk and SEE evolution happen from species to species:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html

Oh, and here is another, the British Gull:

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/ring_species.html

Let me know how the trip goes, ok?

 

[kedaman]

I don't quite follow, are you saying we were meant to walk on four appendages?

nope. Since you assumed that we are illsuited to walk on two legs, I wonder if you think we are meant to walk? Sort of if you were given a hammer, were you meant to use it as a knife.