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No just one breed of wolf. You should take off your sheeps clothing.Did the Chinook come from a hybrid of two different breeds of sheep?
No, that’s what they are today.And you are still confused about this alleged Adam and Eve middle easterners thing. Biblically, they would have more likely have been brown skinned (with the potential for lighter and darker shades) Indo-Parthean/Persian. Eden (the Biblical pangea) extended from the Tigris Euphrates area all the way to encompassing the whole land of Ethiopia (lit. Cush, hence also at least Sudan, Niger, and so on)
The alleged garden was planted "eastward in Eden" which indicates the area mentioned above.
And you are still confused about this alleged Adam and Eve middle easterners thing. Biblically, they would have more likely have been brown skinned (with the potential for lighter and darker shades) Indo-Parthean/Persian. Eden (the Biblical pangea) extended from the Tigris Euphrates area all the way to encompassing the whole land of Ethiopia (lit. Cush, hence also at least Sudan, Niger, and so on)
The alleged garden was planted "eastward in Eden" which indicates the area mentioned above.
No just one breed of wolf. You should take off your sheeps clothing.
It’s your rediculous theory that says sheep become something other than sheep.
so you are saying that an object that is identical to a robot isnt a robot if its evolve by a natural process.
since you agree that an artificial penguin is a robot and since an object that is identical to a robot is a robot then a "natural" penguin is a robot too be definition.
I’m not talking to them, I asked what you think it means.
The “inter” part is quite apt.
Definition of INTERBREED
“: to breed together: such as
a : crossbreed
b : to breed within a closed population”
Definition of CROSSBREED
“: hybridize, cross; especially : to cross (two varieties or breeds) within the same species”
I’m still waiting for you to tell me what you think biologists mean when they use the word. Again, I am talking to you, not them, so it is your concept of it that is all that matters.
http://www.familyholiday.net/halloween-holiday-traditions-in-belgium/
“Belgium is another country from those around the world best known for its own unique ways of celebrating of the Halloween traditions and a frightfully fantastic location to spend Halloween.-But holidays in Belgium are not celebrated in the same mainstream fanfare as it is in America. Halloween Traditions in Belgium with its different cultures is somewhat different. Most of the Belgium cities these days hold huge festivals and plenty of parties in honor of this holiday throughout.”
Oh you may celebrate it differently, but celebrate it you do. You yourself may not, but most in your nation do.
The same way you ignore the facts and I accept them.
http://www.familyholiday.net/halloween-holiday-traditions-in-belgium/
Why look, even pictures of Belgium people celebrating it, despite your claims they don’t.
So...... believe you or believe pictures of them doing what you say they don’t? Sorry, you loose out on any kind of sincerity and trust.
Oh we agree the Catholic Church has a long history of combining pagan beliefs into Christian beliefs.
But then it’s those that claimed to be Christians that led the crusades and inquisition both. We were warned to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
Which is why pshun and I both agree it’s unscriptual, but you didn’t bother to acknowledge that part.
Yet invertebrates produced vertebrates, so we are still invertebrates by your own reasoning?
And yet invertebrates produced vertebrates. Fish produced amphibians. Amphibians produced reptiles and mammals.
Your own claims of ancestory falsify your statements.
It’s not my fault you think infection by viruses when two separate kinds lived in proximity means shared ancestory.
Genetic engineers understand quite well that virus attack specific cells with shared similarities.
It’s this that allows them to target specific cells for genetic manipulation.
You simply confuse time of infection and reinfection by foreign virus as meaning shared descent. Just a mistake based upon your flawed starting point.
Didn’t think that through did you. What do you think your abiogenesis had to work with?
The coccyx also aids humans in balancing while sitting, not walking or climbing trees. And there is no evidence at all it once helped them climb trees.
You said "Christmas IS a continuation of pagan festivities. Almost every culture, especially in the northern hemisphere, throughout history has festivities (both religious and not religious) pinned to one or more days from the 20th to the 25th of december."
Yes there are many pagan practices that were later associated with the celebration of Christmas. I agree 100 % with that and that occurred because unlike other "religions" (tha man made parts of the experience of spirit things) Christianity had no culture (as do Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and so on). One could be a Hindu and still accept what God was providing in Christ's willful sacrifice.
However you are incorrect on why the 25th of December was chosen. There are two courses of Abijah each year. At the time (300 to 400 years after Christ) the course chosen moving forward led to this late Dec early Jan dating. The other course leads to Set/Oct (around Tabernacles) which is further supportred in the Scriptures. For example, we KNOW from the festivals in John that Jesus was about 33 1/2 when crucified under Pilate. This was on Passover...in the Hebrew calendar if one counts back the 6 months (the 1/2) one arrives at Sept/Oct and there is much much more.
However I am not above considering that the Roman church at that time may have seen the two dates and concluded "this one fits better with the pagans and we can use it to draw them in" or some other reasoning...I do not care because Christmas is not a real Christian holiday just a day selected to celebrate the Nativity (Jesus never taught it, the Apostles never taught it and no local body practiced it for 300 years).
And you are still confused about this alleged Adam and Eve middle easterners thing.
Biblically, they would have more likely have been brown skinned (with the potential for lighter and darker shades) Indo-Parthean/Persian. Eden (the Biblical pangea) extended from the Tigris Euphrates area all the way to encompassing the whole land of Ethiopia (lit. Cush, hence also at least Sudan, Niger, and so on)
The alleged garden was planted "eastward in Eden" which indicates the area mentioned above.
Didn’t think that through did you. What do you think your abiogenesis had to work with?
That is simply false, irrelevant, and somewhat silly.The coccyx also aids humans in balancing while sitting, not walking or climbing trees.
And there is no evidence at all it once helped them climb trees.
So we should not divert on these side topics the Atheists brought up.
It’s not my fault you think infection by viruses when two separate kinds lived in proximity means shared ancestory.
Genetic engineers understand quite well that virus attack specific cells with shared similarities. It’s this that allows them to target specific cells for genetic manipulation.
Right.You simply confuse time of infection and reinfection by foreign virus as meaning shared descent. Just a mistake based upon your flawed starting point.
No, Mendel also incorrectly used simple genetic not matching the reality we understand.You can't seem to grasp that interbreeding would be moot if there were no alleles to mix and match in the first place.
You truly seem to think that any allele can recombine or mix and match with any other allele, no matter what the alleles are - that is the ONLY way your fantasy could even hope to have merit.
But reality does not operate that way.
Mendel proved that.
My goodness...
No clues whatsoever...
The very paper you quoted from indicated that it is continuous traits for which interbreeding is more 'important':
“Introgressive hybridization is effective in increasing genetic variation because it simultaneously affects numerous genetic loci. The total effect on continuously varying traits can be up to two or three orders of magnitude greater than mutation (Grant & Grant 1994).”
Do you know what a continuous trait is?
A continuous trait is one that exists along a continuum - like height. They do not create 'new' traits.
I strongly urge you to learn some basic genetics, re-think your fantasy claims, and re-formulate them as needed.
Because we agree they are unable to follow their own definitions.As you didn't respond first time I'll try again.
So for introgressive hybridization to occur two species must be at an early stage of the speciation process?
From the paper you linked to....
Divergence and a decline in introgression with time implies that introgression has the largest evolutionary effect after some morphological, ecological and genetic differences between species have arisen, but before the point is reached when genetic incompatibilities incur a severe fitness cost (Grant et al. 2004; Grant & Grant 2008).
In nature it occurs mainly between young species (figure 8), and is evident in several young adaptive radiations including those of butterflies (Mallett 2005), cichlid fish (Kocher 2004; Seehausen 2006) and primates (Arnold 2006; Patterson et al. 2006). With the lapse of time introgression declines, for two reasons: species diverge in morphological and behavioural traits and no longer recognize each other as potential mates (pre-mating isolation), and they diverge genetically with the result that if they interbreed their offspring are relatively inviable or infertile (post-mating isolation).
To any reasonable person that should suggest that there is another mechanism responsible for genetic divergence.
It also suggests that the two species that are hybridizing must have diverged relatively recently from their ancestral population, so the speciation process must surely be underway before they can hybridize?
Because we agree they are unable to follow their own definitions.
Definition of SUBSPECIES
“a category in biological classification that ranks immediately below a species and designates a population of a particular geographic region genetically distinguishable from other such populations of the same species and capable of interbreeding successfully with them where its range overlaps theirs.”
All it means is that they refuse to correct Darwin’s incorrect classification of them as separate species, due to his incorrect belief they were reproductively isolated.
Since DNA tests shows they are of mixed ancestory, they were never reproductively isolated and speciation never occurred. We are talking about different subspecies here of the same species, not separate species.
The very point of the entire thread, which you seem to be missing.
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