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Descriptions can kill.
Ask those who had Thalidomide described as a prenatal wonder drug.
That may be true, but it's anecdotal. Are you an American? I suspect that acceptance of creationism in the church is primarily an American cultural feature. I do not believe creationism - at least not the kind that says the earth is 10,000 years old and that dinosaurs co-existed with man - has much purchase outside the USA.Zero of the Christians that I know believe in the TOE....none.
Another possibility is that the author of Genesis was never intending to give us a literal story, but is nevertheless communicating important truths about the nature of man, creation, and God by the use of rich allegory. I know a lot of you - again largely Americans, I suggest - seem to think that taking the Bible literally "honours" God. Well, there are demonstrable problems with this. In the Old Testament, prophets use "end of the world" language - stars falling to earth, etc. - to refer to things like the fall of Babylon.IMO and only in my opinion, the theistic evolution is a cop out, it's an insult to the creator who told us that He created it in six days.
I agree and I think your analogy captures the glaring error in that view better than the efforts of me and others to critique that notion. The fact that evolution happened does not comprise some sort of moral mandate to promote intentionally modeling our world on the principles of natural selection.To say that evolution "promotes" brutality is like saying that forensic science "promotes" murder. What a goofy notion.
If that was their goal ... yes.Since thalidomide causes birth defects, does this mean that we SHOULD give women thalidomide to cause birth defects?
...but the fact is a God who does not exist cannot do anything no matter how many hypothesis you bring up.
Saying "depending on what you mean by that" is so disingenuous as you know very well what I mean. if you don't you're not a very intelligent atheist. if that upsets you better report me to the moderators. All that will show is that you can't handle the truth.
That may be the case but I have a very distinct feeling that your hypothetical is being used to throw a spanner in the works. That being the case I would rather talk about what is not what might be.
No.So then, if God chose not to create a universe without sin, as you agree, then he must have chosen to create a universe with sin, correct?
I don't know if I would say that evolution supports it but it can certainly be used to motivate it.
Hitler is an example. He was creating a super youth and his race was supposed to be superior to all others.
If you think about it, if we all evolved from inferior organisms, then it is easy to fabricate a theory that your race is the best of all and superior.
As far as anarchy, it is also easy to say "if I came from nothing then all rules are just made by someone else. What gives them the right to say what is right and wrong if we are all here by chance anyway. So I will make my rules and there is no one who can tell me I'm wrong. I can do what I want, when I want, take what I want.. what ever, Who do I have to answer to? And when I die there is no penalty to pay.
So, evolution may not promote it but can be used to justify it.
Misguided by who's terms? Some other men? What datum are we judging our ethics and morals by? Who set that datum? I suggest that all our morals, ethics, laws and expectations of a civilized world came from God. Without Him, nobody has the right to tell anyone what is right and wrong. Sure we live better, have order, have safety, but in a world where we have no foundation for our civilized beliefs, anyone creating new ones has just as much merit..Well, Hitler was misguided,
Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching - probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf - and in his public speeches. Hitler reasoned… that a higher race would always conquer a lower.Er, you know Hitler was anti-evolution, right? His motivation was, instead, his own RELIGIOUS beliefs.
No.
A universe with sin didn't exist.
Even after He created it.
The sin came later.
I hear this kind of claim a lot but I do not see the underlying argument. An atheist may well respond with something like this:Misguided by who's terms? Some other men? What datum are we judging our ethics and morals by? Who set that datum? I suggest that all our morals, ethics, laws and expectations of a civilized world came from God.
If that was their goal ... yes.
I hear this kind of claim a lot but I do not see the underlying argument. An atheist may well respond with something like this:
- We get our sense of morality through learning what sort of behaviours generally promote peace, order, comfort, security, happiness, etc. How is that not an arguably valid basis for a moral sense?
And Hitler's behavior did not promote any of these things.
Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching . . .
So your God can create the whole universe in 6 days, store enough food & water on an Ark for every kind of animal for a year, yet it's IMPOSSIBLE for your God to Allow a Race to Exist today without Killing others?Without which the Jews wouldn't exist today.
Misguided by who's terms?
I suggest that all our morals, ethics, laws and expectations of a civilized world came from God. Without Him, nobody has the right to tell anyone what is right and wrong.
God says it's wrong.
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