Evolution or Creationism?

[bhsmte]

I don't believe the evolution religion is going anywhere.

Better tell that to the Christians that keep agreeing with evolution in larger numbers every single day.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Better tell that to the Christians that keep agreeing with evolution in larger numbers every single day.

That's why they eventually end up giving their faith, because they finally realise that the two worldviews are incompatible. Both can't be true; either the Biblical account of creation is true and evolution is false, or the other way round. Those who try to hold on to both views end up not knowing what to believe. Creation science has done much to bolster the faith of Christians who fully trust The Bible and has shown that Christians don't have to follow a blind faith but one that is supported by what we see in the real world.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

God is the supernatural explanation for the creation and existence of the universe. Evolution is the theory that explains the diversification and genetic relationship between life forms here on earth. Even if God was 100% confirmed true and real, it wouldn't change the fact that evolution is what is observed in nature.

Creation scientists don't deny that organisms change over time but the difference is that they believe that the changes only bring about variations within their original kind, i.e., dogs remain dogs, birds remain birds, etc. Creation scientists teach that God originally put a large amount of scope for change into the original genes and that natural selection and environmental factors have brought about the varieties we see to day. This is not the same as the kind of changes that evolutionists like to postulate.

 

[bhsmte]

That's why they eventually end up giving their faith, because they finally realise that the two worldviews are incompatible. Both can't be true; either the Biblical account of creation is true and evolution is false, or the other way round. Those who try to hold on to both views end up not knowing what to believe. Creation science has done much to bolster the faith of Christians who fully trust The Bible and has shown that Christians don't have to follow a blind faith but one that is supported by what we see in the real world.

Do you have an example of this "creation science" that is indeed science and supports biblical creationism?

 

[Not_By_Chance]

There is still a flat earth society. There are still geocentrists. Just because ignorance is not fully defeated does not stop it from being ignorance.

Funny how "the flat earth society" always ends up being brought up in these threads. Authors of Biblical texts have been writing about astronomical matters for millennia and got the facts right because God was the inspiration for their words.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Do you have an example of this "creation science" that is indeed science and supports biblical creationism?

Well, let's just consider that never has anything been observed to come from nothing, so where is all the matter/space for the universe supposed to have come from? Christians have a miracle maker (God), but evolutionists have a miracle without a miracle maker.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

When man take his own theory and tries to proclaim this is how he came to be then that theory (evolution) explain everything he does and everything he thinks and it no longer science. It's a religion.
I'm not trying to deceive anyone and will state my faith. The foundation of my scientific views (worldviews) are God created the heavens and the earth and gave man the ability to learn and do science. You know in your heart you can't admit to you faith because you want to speak as if you above others and that would put you on equal ground with everyone else.

I wholeheartedly agree. Well said.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

In their eyes if it wasn't for evolution there wouldn't have been NASA, doctors, medicine, science nor internet.

I think they need some new glasses then in that case!

 

[bhsmte]

Well, let's just consider that never has anything been observed to come from nothing, so where is all the matter/space for the universe supposed to have come from? Christians have a miracle maker (God), but evolutionists have a miracle without a miracle maker.

That is your science?

 

[Not_By_Chance]

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If evolution were goalless, then we would see mutations that were random with respect to fitness.
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Surely the fact that almost all of them are destructive, then that indicates that they are goalless? How can organisms with no idea where they are heading in the future have any directed goals anyway? Only God can direct His creation because He's the only one who knows everything.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

That is your science?

You asked me for one example and I gave you one. It's a perfectly valid scientific statement.

 

[bhsmte]

That's why they eventually end up giving their faith, because they finally realise that the two worldviews are incompatible. Both can't be true; either the Biblical account of creation is true and evolution is false, or the other way round. Those who try to hold on to both views end up not knowing what to believe. Creation science has done much to bolster the faith of Christians who fully trust The Bible and has shown that Christians don't have to follow a blind faith but one that is supported by what we see in the real world.

The majority of Christians agree with evolution, so they don't give up their faith.

Any explanations for this?

 

[bhsmte]

You asked me for one example and I gave you one. It's a perfectly valid scientific statement.

Explain how it is a perfectly valid scientific statement.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

But he is right about one thing. Forensic evidence tells us that the Flood never happened.

Is that all you have? A book filled with bad science, bad morals and hundreds of contradictions?

What contradictions? Have you investigated the so-called contradictions?

 

[RickG]

Well, let's just consider that never has anything been observed to come from nothing, so where is all the matter/space for the universe supposed to have come from?

Science says a singularity, not from nothing.

Christians have a miracle maker (God), but evolutionists have a miracle without a miracle maker.

Genesis is something from nothing.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Science says a singularity, not from nothing.


Genesis is something from nothing.

Genesis is everything from God!

 

[Not_By_Chance]

The majority of Christians agree with evolution, so they don't give up their faith.

Any explanations for this?

Just ask them to explain how The Gospel fits with their worldview or which parts of the Bible to believe and which to discard and you'll likely get many different answers. Ask them how sin came into the world if the world were really filled with death and destruction prior to the appearance of mankind and how Jesus's death on the cross put everything right with God for those who trust in Him. Ask them about God's apparent cruel way of creating life via evolution ("red in tooth and claw" to quote one evolutionist). Ask them how they cannot regard God as being the ultimate deceiver if He supposedly gave us His Bible but filled it with false stories presented as fact and then didn't even deny them but quoted from them when He was here on Earth.

 

[bhsmte]

Just ask them to explain how The Gospel fits with their worldview or which parts of the Bible to believe and which to discard and you'll likely get many different answers. Ask them how sin came into the world if the world were really filled with death and destruction prior to the appearance of mankind and how Jesus's death on the cross put everything right with God for those who trust in Him. Ask them about God's apparent cruel way of creating life via evolution ("red in tooth and claw" to quote one evolutionist). Ask them how they cannot regard God as being the ultimate deceiver if He supposedly gave us His Bible but filled it with false stories presented as fact and then didn't even deny them but quoted from them when He was here on Earth.

They are Christians, why don't you ask them why they disagree with your interpretations of scripture.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Science says a singularity, not from nothing.


Genesis is something from nothing.

And where did this so-called singularity come from? It's not supported by any proven physical laws, so it's just another word for miracle. You know the film, "The Theory of Everything" - well they've obviously got the title wrong as it should be "The Theory of Nothing."

Genesis is something from God, Who is eternal. It even says that in The Bible, "
Rev 1:8 'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.' "

 

[Not_By_Chance]

They are Christians, why don't you ask them why they disagree with your interpretations of scripture.

I don't need to. If someone wants to pick and choose which parts to believe, then it's a matter for their own personal faith. But they aren't doing themselves any favours by doing this and will have to keep adjusting their beliefs to try to fit in with the latest ideas from secular scientists. God got it right the first time and made sure it was recorded in The Bible, period.