Evolution or Creationism?

Subduction Zone · Jun 5, 2015

Smidlee said:
When man take his own theory and tries to proclaim this is how he came to be then that theory (evolution) explain everything he does and everything he thinks and it no longer science. It's a religion.
I'm not trying to deceive anyone and will state my faith. The foundation of my scientific views (worldviews) are God created the heavens and the earth and gave man the ability to learn and do science. You know in your heart you can't admit to you faith because you want to speak as if you above others and that would put you on equal ground with everyone else.

Nope. You sadly do not even seem to know what a religion is. You have no scientific view. You only have a faith based view. Why can't you be honest and admit that? You are only making you and the other faithful look bad by your errant debating.

And the theory of evolution only explains how life go to its present state. It says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of gods. It seems that you are the one that is trying to tell your God how he made the world.

Smidlee · Jun 5, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
Nope. You sadly do not even seem to know what a religion is. You have no scientific view. You only have a faith based view. Why can't you be honest and admit that? You are only making you and the other faithful look bad by your errant debating.

And the theory of evolution only explains how life go to its present state. It says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of gods. It seems that you are the one that is trying to tell your God how he made the world.

You don't have a monopoly on science or truth. You fail to understand evolution can only be science as long as it doesn't included the scientist. Once it including the scientist (man) then it man's own theory becomes his own god. That's what an idol is. Man make something from his imagination then turn away claim it is how he came to be.
It's a dog chasing it's own tail.

Subduction Zone · Jun 5, 2015

Smidlee said:
You don't have a monopoly on science or truth. You fail to understand evolution can only be science as long as it doesn't included the scientist. Once it including the scientist (man) then it man's created theory becomes his own god. That's what an idol is.

I never claimed to. But you have neither science nor the truth. Your beliefs are demonstrably wrong.

And what nonsense is that word salad of yours? You obviously do not understand the scientific method. Please, you are only making yourself look worse and worse.

Smidlee · Jun 5, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
I never claimed to. But you have neither science nor the truth. Your beliefs are demonstrably wrong.

And what nonsense is that word salad of yours? You obviously do not understand the scientific method. Please, you are only making yourself look worse and worse.

The scientific method is also part of man's thinking. You are trying to speak outside yourself as the voice of a god.

Subduction Zone · Jun 5, 2015

Smidlee said:
The scientific method is also part of man's thinking. You are trying to speak outside yourself as the voice of a god.

No. Again, you should never say what others are thinking since it reveals your own errant thought processes. Why posit the presence of a god when there is no evidence of a god?

Smidlee · Jun 5, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
No. Again, you should never say what others are thinking since it reveals your own errant thought processes. Why posit the presence of a god when there is no evidence of a god?

Everyone has to think and speak with their biological brain unless that person in physically dead. You only know what you already know.

Subduction Zone · Jun 5, 2015

Smidlee said:
Everyone has to think and speak with their biological brain unless that person in physically dead. You only know what you already know.

No, we can learn. That is so obvious that I am amazed that I have to post this fact to you.

Smidlee · Jun 6, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
No, we can learn. That is so obvious that I am amazed that I have to post this fact to you.

When I learn a new definitions of a word, for example, the definition hopefully used different words of the same meaning which I know the meaning of. We can learn upon that which we already know.
The reason we waste so many resources and time sending junk in space in search for life is we know there is life in the heavens. Animals doesn't seem to have this built-in "knowledge". Or maybe the animals "know" their creator doesn't have to look to the stars.

Subduction Zone · Jun 6, 2015

Smidlee said:
When I learn a new definitions of a word, for example, the definition hopefully used different words of the same meaning which I know the meaning of. We can learn upon that which we already know.
The reason we waste so many resources and time sending junk in space in search for life is we know there is life in the heavens. Animals doesn't seem to have this built-in "knowledge". Or maybe the animals "know" their creator doesn't have to look to the stars.

This is a bit of word salad. When have we ever sent "junk in space in search for life"? That seems to be a rather wild claim on your part. And no, man has no knowledge of a "heaven". That is simply your religious beliefs and nothing more.

Smidlee · Jun 6, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
This is a bit of word salad. When have we ever sent "junk in space in search for life"? That seems to be a rather wild claim on your part. And no, man has no knowledge of a "heaven". That is simply your religious beliefs and nothing more.

It's not my religious beliefs man is wasting billions to find life on Mars or trying to find Frankengod in a test tube. They just crashes a satellite on Mercury so yes, it's now space junk.

Subduction Zone · Jun 6, 2015

Smidlee said:
It's not my religious beliefs man is wasting billions to find life on Mars or trying to find Frankengod in a test tube. They just crashes a satellite on Mercury so yes, it's now space junk.

What on Earth are you nattering about? No one is "wasting billions" in such a manner. And they are definitely not religious beliefs. Once again you seem to be trying to degrade your own religious beliefs. Why do you do that?

Smidlee · Jun 6, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
What on Earth are you nattering about? No one is "wasting billions" in such a manner. And they are definitely not religious beliefs. Once again you seem to be trying to degrade your own religious beliefs. Why do you do that?

Why do you deny your own religious beliefs? Man has always look toward the heavens and that is linked with his religious beliefs since the beginning of civilization.

Subduction Zone · Jun 6, 2015

Smidlee said:
Why do you deny your own religious beliefs? Man has always look toward the heavens and that is linked with his religious beliefs since the beginning of civilization.

Because my views about evolution are not religious. Any religion I have I keep separated from the world of science. And not all men are religious. Some men don't have that weakness.

Smidlee · Jun 6, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
Because my views about evolution are not religious. Any religion I have I keep separated from the world of science. And not all men are religious. Some men don't have that weakness.

You are in denial as soon as any theory which comes from man tries to explain man then that theory is man's idol. That theory explain everything about man including his beliefs in evolution. This again it's a dog chasing it's own tail.

All men are religious. Religion, science , politics and money are all interconnected. You don't even understand your own nature.

Subduction Zone · Jun 6, 2015

Smidlee said:
You are in denial as soon as any theory which comes from man tries to explain man then that theory is man's idol. That theory explain everything about man including his beliefs in evolution. This again it's a dog chasing it's own tail.

All men are religious. Religion, science , politics and money are all interconnected. You don't even understand your own nature.

Hardly, again you are projecting your flaws upon others. When a scientist thinks of a new hypothesis one of the first things he tires to do is to show that it is wrong. Then he makes it public and has other people try to show that it is wrong. That is not the work of someone making an idol.

Projection is one of the chief sins of creationists. Just because you do certain incorrect things don't assume that everyone does.

Smidlee · Jun 6, 2015

Subduction Zone said:
Hardly, again you are projecting your flaws upon others. When a scientist thinks of a new hypothesis one of the first things he tires to do is to show that it is wrong. Then he makes it public and has other people try to show that it is wrong. That is not the work of someone making an idol.

Projection is one of the chief sins of creationists. Just because you do certain incorrect things don't assume that everyone does.

Clearly you do not understand human nature. Scientist are not rewarded for failures which is why most failures never get reported. Scientist do not want to be proven wrong just like any other human being.

Subduction Zone · Jun 6, 2015

Smidlee said:
Clearly you do not understand human nature. Scientist are not rewarded for failures which is why most failures never get reported. Scientist do not want to be proven wrong just like any other human being.

That is true, but part of making a proper theory is to be sure that it has no flaws in it. Scientists get famous by making new theories. When one writes a hypothesis one can learn from ones mistakes and correct that hypothesis. That is why a good scientist, a successful scientist, and one that wants to be famous, will test the heck out of his hypothesis before he releases it. He knows others are going to test it just as hard if not harder. It is in ones own self interest as a scientist to try to debunk ones own work.

I know that seems rather foreign to you since you come from a religious background where ignorance is king. But if you think about it you should be able to see how that actually helps a scientist.

Mr Strawberry · Jun 7, 2015

Smidlee said:
You are in denial as soon as any theory which comes from man tries to explain man then that theory is man's idol. That theory explain everything about man including his beliefs in evolution. This again it's a dog chasing it's own tail.

All men are religious. Religion, science , politics and money are all interconnected. You don't even understand your own nature.

Well, your religion is just another human guess at explaining man's origins. It is a hypothesis, like any other, and has been been rejected as wrong for the same reasons that geocentrism was rejected as wrong or alchemy (Newton's hobby) was shown to be nonsense or Kelvin's age of the Earth was shown to be way off. Your religion isn't special, it's just another incorrect human idea.

Smidlee · Jun 7, 2015

Mr Strawberry said:
Well, your religion is just another human guess at explaining man's origins. It is a hypothesis, like any other, and has been been rejected as wrong for the same reasons that geocentrism was rejected as wrong or alchemy (Newton's hobby) was shown to be nonsense or Kelvin's age of the Earth was shown to be way off. Your religion isn't special, it's just another incorrect human idea.

Either the scripture is God's word or as you say it just something man made up. Man today still uses geocentric thinking as he believe the universe revolves around his intellect and will preach it dogmatically.

Mr Strawberry · Jun 7, 2015

Smidlee said:
Either the scripture is God's word or as you say it just something man made up.

We know the answer to that one.

Smidlee said:
Man today still uses geocentric thinking as he believe the universe revolves around his intellect and will preach it dogmatically.

Dogmatic preaching is only necessary for ideas that don't hold water, like the failed hypothesis of young earth creationism. If a guess or hypothesis is on the right lines then it doesn't need dogmatic anything, it will just become more and more strongly supported by evidence.

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