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Evolution or Creationism?

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No it isn't, actually, as anyone with even a vague grasp of the ToE knows.

I'm not remotely surprised you didn't even attempt to meet my challenge. I know you can't. Thanks for making an example of yourself, and demonstrating you - like a typical creationist - have not the slightest ghost of a clue what you're talking about.
Blather aside, if you claim evolution before man (forget the other creatures that exist) you are crediting evolution with creation. No way round it. You must wear it.

'Anti Christmas theory'? Are you legitimately mentally ill? If not, what is your excuse for such asinine drivel?

I started using a tablet sometimes, and it sort of self corrects. You must be real sore at losing to start casting crazy darts!

Evoution as anything other than after the fact of creation by Jesus is anti Christ sniveling drivel.
 
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Re 4:11 -Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Col 1:16 -For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Eph 3:9 -And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:






Lurkers, see how this poster claims truth and defies Scripture.

No one needs you to judge God and His word, your opinion is worth less than nothing.

So you found one verse in one Bible that supports you. That seems to be a poor translation since later translations say this when it comes to Ephesians 3 9:

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and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."

I wonder why the change. I know there were some bad translations in the KJV. Any experts out there?

ETA: Here is a link to various different interpretations of the Bible. Please note that only the King James Versions make that particular claim:

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/3-9.htm

I know that there are several members here that worship the King James version. To me worshiping any one particular version of the Bible smacks of blasphemy since you are claiming one magical form of the Bible is right and all others to be wrong. This belief is followed regardless of the evidence involved. If the Bible is valid there should be several versions that are correct. This is one of the problems of Islam; claiming that God can speak only through Arabic.
 
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So you found one verse in one Bible that supports you. That seems to be a poor translation since later translations say this when it comes to Ephesians 3 9:

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and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."

I wonder why the change. I know there were some bad translations in the KJV. Any experts out there?

ETA: Here is a link to various different interpretations of the Bible. Please note that only the King James Versions make that particular claim:

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/3-9.htm

I know that there are several members here that worship the King James version. To me worshiping any one particular version of the Bible smacks of blasphemy since you are claiming one magical form of the Bible is right and all others to be wrong. This belief is followed regardless of the evidence involved. If the Bible is valid there should be several versions that are correct. This is one of the problems of Islam; claiming that God can speak only through Arabic.

This is not one verse.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Re 4:11 -Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Col 1:16 -For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Eph 3:9 -And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:


Now as for your attempted point that the verse was not referring to Christ, here is the context.


1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.


This is what happens when you dare to try to add antiChrist spirit to His word....the truth goes marching on.
 
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This is not one verse.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Re 4:11 -Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Col 1:16 -For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Eph 3:9 -And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

It was the only one that said anything about Jesus making the world. You have one old failed translation that says that.

Try again.
 
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It was the only one that said anything about Jesus making the world.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
 
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Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
That's a little bit better, it still says that God made the universe but somehow he did it through Jesus.

The problem is of course that these are still New Testament writings. The Old Testament really has to be put through the wringer to get dad's interpretation. But I will let you have this. Of course this has all been a massive detour since it still in no way supports the Genesis version of creation. I was also hoping that you had something better than Pauline theology.
 
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The problem is of course that these are still New Testament writings.
As the saying goes: Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, and in the New Testament revealed.
 
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Blather aside, if you claim evolution before man (forget the other creatures that exist) you are crediting evolution with creation.

I don't doubt that's how things work in your imagination. However, the world that exists outside the confines of your skull - what the rest of us refer to as reality - does not kowtow to your make-believe fantasies. You know this just as well as I do, which is why you can only ever resort to evasion tactics when challenged to substantiate your asinine naked assertions.

No way round it. You must wear it.

No, as I've explained, I am not obligated to genuflect before any fairytale you've imagined. I require actual arguments to be persuaded.

By all means, though, keep making an example of yourself.
 
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And it still has nothing to do with the Genesis account of creation.
Here's some deep theology:

A literal six-day creation is documented in the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Notice "LORD" in all capitals?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matthew 1:26 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
 
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Here's some deep theology:

A literal six-day creation is documented in the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Notice "LORD" in all capitals?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matthew 1:26 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Sorry, you need to learn what the word "documented" means. And you continue to fail in your quest.

All of your attempts to rewrite Genesis depend on New Testament verses, none by Jesus that I have seen. Only believers in him putting their own special twist on what they believed. In other words you are basing your beliefs upon admittedly errant man.
 
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Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Amen
 
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It was the only one that said anything about Jesus making the world. You have one old failed translation that says that.

Try again.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That includes the world. You lose.


Re 4:11 -Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


That includes the world.


Col 1:16 -For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

That includes the world.


Eph 3:9 -And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

That includes the world.
 
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