Evolution of Consciousness

[joshua 1 9]

What is consciousness and how did consciousness evolve? Who can tell us about the unconscious and the collective conscious or collective unconscious? I have heard that in order for the mind to work there has to be comparisons: good & evil, light and dark, day and night. Genesis chapter 1 talks a lot about how God divides one from the other to create the world we live in. Where do we go to study the evolution of consciousness? Psychology? Sociology?Philosophy? Biology? Theology? Where do we go to find consciousness? Did it evolve along with the brain? Is consciousness physical a product of the neurons in our brain? When is a person considered to be brain dead to the point they can harvest his organs?

 

[dreadnought]

What is consciousness and how did consciousness evolve? Who can tell us about the unconscious and the collective conscious or collective unconscious? I have heard that in order for the mind to work there has to be comparisons: good & evil, light and dark, day and night. Genesis chapter 1 talks a lot about how God divides one from the other to create the world we live in. Where do we go to study the evolution of consciousness? Psychology? Sociology?Philosophy? Biology? Theology? Where do we go to find consciousness? Did it evolve along with the brain? Is consciousness physical a product of the neurons in our brain? When is a person considered to be brain dead to the point they can harvest his organs?

I don't think the Lord's creation of human beings can be understood scientifically.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think the Lord's creation of human beings can be understood scientifically.

That all depends on how you define "human beings". Also that depends on your theology and your understanding of how Creator becomes a part of His Creation. Still we are dealing with consciousness and there does seem to be a lot of biology associated with that. Although our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain is not as extensive as we would like for it to be.

 

[dreadnought]

That all depends on how you define "human beings". Also that depends on your theology and your understanding of how Creator becomes a part of His Creation. Still we are dealing with consciousness and there does seem to be a lot of biology associated with that. Although our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain is not as extensive as we would like for it to be.

After all these thousands of years, why is our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain not as extensive as we would like for it to be?

 

[joshua 1 9]

After all these thousands of years, why is our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain not as extensive as we would like for it to be?

Because we need the Mind of Christ and the Divinity of God to understand and we are still trying to figure it all out with our old carnal mind. Still we look forward to a time when: "the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea." Isaiah 11:9 Even we live in a time when we are told: "knowledge shall be increased." Daniel 12:4

 

[Tayla]

Where do we go to study the evolution of consciousness?

Probably psychology would have the best answers; maybe philosophy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Probably psychology would have the best answers; maybe philosophy.

My brother has a PhD in Psychology. He would tend to go with a modern version of Jung if we are dealing with consciousness. The lateral frontal pole prefrontal cortex is, effectively, our conscience. He feels conscience is a product of the brains ability to be able to compare thing like right and wrong, good and bad and so on.

 

[The Barbarian]

After all these thousands of years, why is our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain not as extensive as we would like for it to be?

Because consciousness is a matter of something comprehending itself, I suppose. Plus, we have never been able to sufficiently define consciousness.

See "strange loops."
Strange loop - Wikipedia

 

[dreadnought]

Because consciousness is a matter of something comprehending itself, I suppose. Plus, we have never been able to sufficiently define consciousness.

See "strange loops."
Strange loop - Wikipedia

Do you think we ever will (be able to define consciousness)?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Because consciousness is a matter of something comprehending itself, I suppose. Plus, we have never been able to sufficiently define consciousness.

It is difficult for the brain to observe itself. We have to take the observer effect into account. This is why the Bible helps us to understand because the Bible is based on independent observation. The angels observe us and report to God.

"For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him. " 2chron16:9

 

[The Barbarian]

Do you think we ever will (be able to define consciousness)?

I think we'd have to learn more about the way the brain works before we can do that.

 

[dreadnought]

I think we'd have to learn more about the way the brain works before we can do that.

But I think it's a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. When we die, we'll still exist.

 

[The Barbarian]

But I think it's a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. When we die, we'll still exist.

It's a tough question. Clearly, our consciousness requires a functional nervous system. But the mind is not a mere epiphenomenon of the brain.

The part that isn't, is beyond the reach of science. And that's part of the issue, too.

 

[joshua 1 9]

But I think it's a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. When we die, we'll still exist.

Most all of my life I have been interested in understanding the collective conscious. Very little is written about it though. We are told about the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We are told that we are to be of one mind and one accord.

 

[dreadnought]

Most all of my life I have been interested in understanding the collective conscious. Very little is written about it though. We are told about the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We are told that we are to be of one mind and one accord.

We will be in agreement with the Lord when we understand him.

 

[Tayla]

After all these thousands of years, why is our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain not as extensive as we would like for it to be?

Because we are only just now, with modern science and psychology, able to study the brain at the level of neurons.

Consciousness is not a part of the physical realm and, therefore, science will never understand it. The best science will do is learn of correlations between the brain and consciousness.

 

[The Barbarian]

Consciousness is not a part of the physical realm and, therefore, science will never understand it. The best science will do is learn of correlations between the brain and consciousness.

I think you're pretty close to the reality of this.

 

[joshua 1 9]

After all these thousands of years, why is our understanding of consciousness and the physical brain not as extensive as we would like for it to be?

"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1cor13:12

 

[dreadnought]

"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1cor13:12

Yes, it is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes, it is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one.

It is both. The mind is not merely an epiphenomenon of the brain, but that's one of the things it is. How God manages to house a spiritual being in a material body may be forever beyond our understanding.

It's those "correlations between the brain and consciousness" that we may never actually comprehend.