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That is neither a scientific book nor does it say anthing about a DNA code barriere, AFAIK. Better luck next time.
Well you could have fooled me --- as much time as you "scientists" spend here --- you'd think this was a Science Forum.
from the sticky on the forum
Welcome to the Scientific Discussion Forum (also know as the Evolutionary/Creationist debate forum)!
appears to be a scientific forum.
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perhaps you can reference scientific papers or books that speak of this "DNA Code Barrier".
it was written:
perhaps book chapter and verse would help. i have read the Bible through, many times, yet i don't know where exactly you are pointing me.
afaik, DNA is never mentioned in it. but perhaps your KJV has a "Defenders Study Bible" footnote from H.Morris that you might want to quote to show this "DNA barrier". since i certainly don't have those footnotes in my Bibles, perhaps you could type them in here so we can read them.
Nope, nope, nope and nope. Aristotle purposed a chain of life. From lower life(mice and other small things) to higher life(humans) that was unchanging because life was absolutely perfect in his model. Creationism believes humans are better than other life and that all life is or once was perfect.1) Aristotle - believe it or not, Aristotle was one of the first to introduce the theory of evolution, simply put, if you happen to know this guy and have taken an introductory physics class, you'll know perfectly well this is the guy that told everybody that objects of different sizes fell at different gravitational rates, this of course was accepted as a "fact" for thousands of years later until disproven by Galileo's experimentation on the Leaning Tower of Pize, incidentally, Aristotle creates the perspective that we "evolved" from ape-like creatures, today, many scientists and biologists believe the same exact man who told us about a false assumption about gravity with his theory that supposedly has made it's way through further "scientific observation" which supports it, though you'd be suprised.
It should also be brought up that the models Aristotle purposed for physics, the universe(geocentric), and the model of life you just presented were accepted as evidence for the bible up until Galileo and others of his time.
So all you are really doing is bringing up things which were previously accepted as proof for Christianity.
Nobel nominee Henry "Fritz" Schaefer was among them. He encouraged open public debate of Darwins theory
Scientists are highly educated, well trained and intellectually capable of processing all types of information, and they can make the correct critical distinctions between fact and fiction, reality and fantasy. The unwashed public is simply incapable of functioning on this high mental plane.
Nobel nominee Henry "Fritz" Schaefer was among them. He encouraged open public debate of Darwins theory.
It all has to do with budget. We scientist have to eat too. If people would fund us to engineer cures for cancer we would. Our current progress is limited by budget.Science has produced many positive benefits for society; but we should know by now that science has a dark, negative side. Didn’t those meek fellows in the clean lab coats give us nuclear bombs and biological weapons? The age of innocence ended in World War II.
Science is a dictatorship since the evidence controls theories. A theory must provide strong answers for all the evidence. biology, geology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics, and evolutionary biology match this perfectly. You have very little knowledge over even the most basic Biological concepts and even less over Evolution so you wouldn't know what the evidence suggests. Answers in Genesis preys on that disability and is evident because they assert many times that no 'uphill' evolution has ever occured. Then when the examples come along they purpose something not based on evidence, make up statistics/calculations, and hope you the reader have limited knowledge in the area. So you won't catch it. And still leave in there other articles the assertion that no 'uphill' evolution has occured.Science as an institution in a democratic society has to function in the same way as the society at large; it should be open to debate, argument and counter-argument. There is no place for unquestioned authoritarianism. Is modern science meeting these standards?
I would call 98-99% percent virtually every scientist. When creationists challenged that they collected quite a few names on there "intellectual doubters of darwinism." but it had many flaws. First off many of the people on the list have no degrees in anything but they are included because they have written books. There are also many people on that have degree that have nothing to do with Science. For example: 144. John W. Oller, Jr., Ph.D. General Linguistics. Also another problem with the list is it isn't only limited to doubters of Evolution. Anyways, the creationist list could never live up to the standards of Project Steve.The series was heavily weighted towards the view that the theory of evolution is "a science fact" that is accepted by "virtually all reputable scientists in the world", and not a theory that has weaknesses and strong scientific critics.
This article (and you by quoting it and from your past posts) confuses science with public policy and private enterprise. Science discovers how things work, fundamental principles of nature, etc. Public policy (Manhattan Project, Mutual Assured Destruction, etc.) and private enterprise are neither in the realm nor in the control of science. Einstein's special theory of relativity led to the production of the atomic bomb, but it also led to cures for cancer. His theory is neither good nor bad, it is simply a more accurate description of how the universe works. If you have objections to applications of knowledge, write to your Congressmen or organize boycotts of products you find detrimental to society. Since the vast majority of the leaders of these groups are Christian, you shouldn't have much problem getting them to change.From pathlights.com:
The public does not seem at all aware of the fact that the scientific establishment has a double standard when it comes to the free flow of information. In essence, it goes like this... Scientists are highly educated, well trained and intellectually capable of processing all types of information, and they can make the correct critical distinctions between fact and fiction, reality and fantasy. The unwashed public is simply incapable of functioning on this high mental plane.
The noble ideal of the scientist as a highly trained, impartial, apolitical observer and assembler of established facts into a useful body of knowledge seems to have been shredded under the pressures and demands of the real world. Science has produced many positive benefits for society; but we should know by now that science has a dark, negative side. Didnt those meek fellows in the clean lab coats give us nuclear bombs and biological weapons? The age of innocence ended in World War II.
That the scientific community has an attitude of intellectual superiority is thinly veiled under a carefully orchestrated public relations guise. We always see Science and Progress walking hand in hand. Science as an institution in a democratic society has to function in the same way as the society at large; it should be open to debate, argument and counter-argument. There is no place for unquestioned authoritarianism. Is modern science meeting these standards?
I have absolutely no idea of what you are trying to say here, but I'll gladly sum up the discussion for you.Well you could have fooled me --- as much time as you "scientists" spend here --- you'd think this was a Science Forum.
rmwilliamsll said:perhaps you can reference scientific papers or books that speak of this "DNA Code Barrier".
AV1611VET said:
You should also note that these dragons are commonly depicted with four walking limbs as well as a set of wings. However there is absolutely no evidence of any hexepedial vertebrates existing outside fantasy, (exceptions are of course birth defects that pop up from time to time)Boltwave said:Another good point is why are there paintings cave paintings of dinosaurs and descriptions of "dragons" when dinosaurs were thought to have died out millions of years ago before humans came along?
Yeah, you never know what those seekers beliefs are I think I've seen them argue from every possible front.RichardT said:seeker arguing for creation?
That's because we seekers, those of us who truly wish to learn, are each coming from different places. We each have our own opinions, our own point-of-view and perspectives, on which we have lived and grown (often, most of our lives) that have influenced our lives and made us who we are today.Yeah, you never know what those seekers beliefs are I think I've seen them argue from every possible front.
Perhaps you haven't noticed; this is a science forum. It just happens to be in a Christian superforum. Funny that.Well you could have fooled me --- as much time as you "scientists" spend here --- you'd think this was a Science Forum.
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