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Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale
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<blockquote data-quote="greatcogitator" data-source="post: 1243983" data-attributes="member: 15716"><p>I'm glad that someone will listen to reason and finally realize that creationism, despite its claims is false because it can't produce evidence. When the EAC told me that creationism was on the down slide I couldn't believe it but now I realize that they are 100% correct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Just wondering:</p><p>Assumptions:</p><p>1) Let's assume that there is in fact an EAC out to make christians atheists.</p><p></p><p>2) Let's assume evolution is a fairy tale. (Despite the evidence that points to </p><p>similarities between species and the fact that we can observe the </p><p>genetic changes over time...)</p><p>3) Let's also assume that there is in fact a large number of christians that </p><p>have been stripped of there belief. (Though I think you may have read a </p><p>few too many Chick Tracts...)</p><p>4)...n) Therefore Creationism is true.</p><p>I am confused on the steps 4)...n), What are they? And as a side note it would appear that you are making a fallacy of breaking this in to an either-or argument, but it isn't. (!(evolution) != Creationism) The problem is that in addition to evolution there are numerous types of creation myths, as well you have the problem of the two co-existing. However I await steps 4)...n).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I find it ironic that you use the fallacy of ad hominem in order to make an ad hominem attack, but I'm just some crazy weirdo... I, oddly enough, agree with you that Science can never actually reach a conclusion, but I must clarify that in this position I think that science can give the most probable soluion, just because you can't be 100% sure doesn't mean you are wrong. Again we come to the innerrancy of the bible, and I present a reductio:</p><p>Assumptions:</p><p>1) Humans have free will concerning their actions, and thus are able to </p><p>disobey God, and thus sin.</p><p>2) The Bible is divinely inspired, but is written by humans.</p><p>3) The bible is inerrant</p><p>Facts:</p><p>3) Humans have a tendency to make errors.</p><p>4) Free will is the ability to make choices. </p><p>5) God gave people the ability to ignore/misrepresent him.</p><p>Conclusion:</p><p>6) Either a) God gives us free will which allows for the possibility of human </p><p>error in the Bible.</p><p>b) God doesn't give us free will, which is against the idea of sin</p><p>c) God gives us partial free will, this brings me to ask, Wouldn't the </p><p>people God inspired be removed of the will to choose him, and </p><p>thus wouldn't their deeds and faith be minimized?</p><p>Therefore either the Bible isn't inerrant, God doesn't give man free will, or God plays favorites and all but guarantees some access to heaven. (The easiest way out is to accept the third one, but I think this makes God unjust...)</p><p></p><p>QED</p><p></p><p></p><p>PS Please forgive the manner in which I have quoted you, however CF is acting a bit odd... and thus I have put in TO standard</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="greatcogitator, post: 1243983, member: 15716"] I'm glad that someone will listen to reason and finally realize that creationism, despite its claims is false because it can't produce evidence. When the EAC told me that creationism was on the down slide I couldn't believe it but now I realize that they are 100% correct. Just wondering: Assumptions: 1) Let's assume that there is in fact an EAC out to make christians atheists. 2) Let's assume evolution is a fairy tale. (Despite the evidence that points to similarities between species and the fact that we can observe the genetic changes over time...) 3) Let's also assume that there is in fact a large number of christians that have been stripped of there belief. (Though I think you may have read a few too many Chick Tracts...) 4)...n) Therefore Creationism is true. I am confused on the steps 4)...n), What are they? And as a side note it would appear that you are making a fallacy of breaking this in to an either-or argument, but it isn't. (!(evolution) != Creationism) The problem is that in addition to evolution there are numerous types of creation myths, as well you have the problem of the two co-existing. However I await steps 4)...n). I find it ironic that you use the fallacy of ad hominem in order to make an ad hominem attack, but I'm just some crazy weirdo... I, oddly enough, agree with you that Science can never actually reach a conclusion, but I must clarify that in this position I think that science can give the most probable soluion, just because you can't be 100% sure doesn't mean you are wrong. Again we come to the innerrancy of the bible, and I present a reductio: Assumptions: 1) Humans have free will concerning their actions, and thus are able to disobey God, and thus sin. 2) The Bible is divinely inspired, but is written by humans. 3) The bible is inerrant Facts: 3) Humans have a tendency to make errors. 4) Free will is the ability to make choices. 5) God gave people the ability to ignore/misrepresent him. Conclusion: 6) Either a) God gives us free will which allows for the possibility of human error in the Bible. b) God doesn't give us free will, which is against the idea of sin c) God gives us partial free will, this brings me to ask, Wouldn't the people God inspired be removed of the will to choose him, and thus wouldn't their deeds and faith be minimized? Therefore either the Bible isn't inerrant, God doesn't give man free will, or God plays favorites and all but guarantees some access to heaven. (The easiest way out is to accept the third one, but I think this makes God unjust...) QED PS Please forgive the manner in which I have quoted you, however CF is acting a bit odd... and thus I have put in TO standard [/QUOTE]
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