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Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by bevets, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. bevets

    bevets Member

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    A Parable:
    Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
    You say "Prove it."
    He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
    You say "What does that prove?"
    He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them"
    You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
    "Because it's GREEN" he says.
    "What else can you show me?"
    He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire."
    You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask.
    "I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"

    Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)

    Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see atheists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confront the evidence.

    Ostensibly this is an arguement about science, and atheists like to think all scientists believe in evolution. Science can only suggest possiblilities -- it can never give a reliable conclusion about origins. The question of origins is a question of history.

    Christians have evidence to trump all human speculation about origins. We have an inerrant account from our Creator. All Truth leads to God and therefore all good science will lead to God.
     
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  2. MartinM

    MartinM GondolierAce

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    Yeah, you got us. It's all one big fairy tale. Not like Genesis, with the talking snakes, and the magical trees...
     
  3. MartinM

    MartinM GondolierAce

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    It comes up here so much, I nearly forgot: evolution != atheism. But of course, you already knew that.
     
  4. Tinker Grey

    Tinker Grey Wanderer Supporter

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    A Parable:
    Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
    You say "Prove it."
    He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
    You say "What does that prove?"
    He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them"
    You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
    "Because it's GREEN" he says.
    "What else can you show me?"
    He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire."
    You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask.
    "I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"


    CreationISM is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by theists. They are hell bent on explaining their Creator as if they could only believe hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)


    Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see theists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confronting the evidence.


    Ostensibly this is an arguement about science, and theists like to think all True Christians[sup](tm)[/sup] believe in creationISM. Belief can only suggest possiblilities -- it can never give a reliable conclusion about origins. The question of origins is a question of history.


    Scientists have evidence to trump all human speculation about origins. We have an inerrant account from our Creator. All Truth leads to God and therefore all good science will lead to God.
     
  5. bevets

    bevets Member

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    Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented. ~ William Provine


    The ancient seekers after truth differ from their modern successors in only one respect. It was permitted to them to suppose that supernatural forces were at work in the world-forces which could be perceived only by the eye of faith. The modern seeker refuses to accept any explanation which involves the action of a supernatural agent, even as a last resort. ~ Arthur Keith


    We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. ~ Richard Lewontin
     
  6. Bushido216

    Bushido216 Well-Known Member

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    Sigh.

    This is all so, so sad.
     
  7. MartinM

    MartinM GondolierAce

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    Oops. Nothing left. Now, how about some substantive arguments?

    And stamp this on your forehead if you have to: evolution != atheism
     
  8. Pete Harcoff

    Pete Harcoff PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

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    Careful. He'll probably construe that to be the mark of the beast or something...
     
  9. -Jae-

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    Hey, I have a nice idea:How about you show us exactly why evolution is a fairy tale instead of using vague parables and irrelevant quotes?

    Oh, and no Dr.Dino material please :)
     
  10. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    Yep, and the earth is really flat, the space shuttle program is just an elaborate lie to make people resect atheist scientists so that they can peddle their obvious false germ theory, the geocentric model, General relativity and evolution.

    :)

    Let me guess, this is a post and run. :)

    Of course, im sure you have evidence to prove this right (more than a bunch of quotes like your site) so that you aren't getting close to that false witness thing, right? :D


    P.S. I love how you call that parable "evidence" on your site. :D :D
     
  11. Bushido216

    Bushido216 Well-Known Member

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    Arikay, it's heliocentrism. ;)
     
  12. Mechanical Bliss

    Mechanical Bliss Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.

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    Not again...:(

    This isn't the first time he's trolled with this very same nonsense.
     
  13. SirKenin

    SirKenin Contributor

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    The theory that man evolved from an amoeba is, of course, bunk. I will not dispute that.

    However, there is no reason to disbelieve in speciation. All species can speciate within certain parameters as set out within their genetic code.
     
  14. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    BTW, if anyone is interesting in pretty much anything he will post, there is a good chance its all here,

    http://bevets.com/evolution.htm

    anyone up for a game of "find the mined quote?" :)
     
  15. Mechanical Bliss

    Mechanical Bliss Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.

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    The theory of evolution implies no such thing.
     
  16. Pete Harcoff

    Pete Harcoff PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

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    Good thing nobody is arguing that man evolved from amoebas. We evolved from a primate ancestor.
     
  17. SirKenin

    SirKenin Contributor

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    I get the feeling that what our friend is arguing is the old skool theory of evolution, that all life evolved from amoebas.. Otherwise, his argument, or reasonable facsimile thereof, makes absolutely no sense. heh.
     
  18. MartinM

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    Perhaps you can explain something to me. It's something I've never really got an answer to from a creationist.

    If you accept that two groups of organisms can become reproductively isolated, then the mutations in one gene pool will not be transferred to the other. So, the genetic difference between the two groups will increase.

    What mechanism do you propose to prevent this difference from becoming arbitrarily large?
     
  19. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    No its not. as heliocentricism is just a christian lie to fool atheists into going to christianity because they accept science, when we all know that anything christians except is untrue. :p

    (yes i did put geo in there on purpose just for fun. :) )

     
  20. bevets

    bevets Member

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    A Parable:
    "I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him).

    Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see atheists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confront the evidence.


    You should not confuse evolution with science.

    The question of origins is a question of History (whatever happened only happened once) not science.

    Please explain how the scientific method applys. i.e. observe, predict, experiment, repeat -- how do we repeat ANCIENT (pre human) history? Here's a helpful suggestion repeat the transition from reptile to bird in a lab (that would be fascinating!) After you have repeated this transition, explain why your lab experiment proves that this is EXACTLY how it happened historically.

    Only in your wildest fantasies.


    Here's a tip: Cite a specific quote and then demonstrate why it is not accurate.
     
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